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tom66:
I have an iPhone because I got sick and tired of constant software bugs with Android devices.

My "new" (2020 generation) iPhone SE cost me fairly little second hand as flagship phones go, but the software is stable, Siri works well, battery life is excellent (2+ days with my usage profile.)  Maybe I can be tempted away from the walled Apple garden, but I don't want much from a phone.  I don't care that it's customisable,  I'm past that,  it needs to work, be fast, and be easy to use.  Repairability of most flagship phones is similar now (they all have glued screens, glued batteries, locked software) so I don't see how that makes that much difference.  I'm guaranteed security/software updates for at least 6 years (my older iPhone was still getting security updates.)  Also, I trust Apple far more with my privacy than Google, as Apple do actually respect it, by design.

Sure, Apple is shit in a lot of ways, but it's not just sheeple buying them.
SilverSolder:

I long for the old days where a phone was just a phone...  I don't like using small displays so I rarely use any capabilities other than texting.
bd139:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 02, 2020, 10:25:37 pm ---I have an iPhone because I got sick and tired of constant software bugs with Android devices.

My "new" (2020 generation) iPhone SE cost me fairly little second hand as flagship phones go, but the software is stable, Siri works well, battery life is excellent (2+ days with my usage profile.)  Maybe I can be tempted away from the walled Apple garden, but I don't want much from a phone.  I don't care that it's customisable,  I'm past that,  it needs to work, be fast, and be easy to use.  Repairability of most flagship phones is similar now (they all have glued screens, glued batteries, locked software) so I don't see how that makes that much difference.  I'm guaranteed security/software updates for at least 6 years (my older iPhone was still getting security updates.)  Also, I trust Apple far more with my privacy than Google, as Apple do actually respect it, by design.

Sure, Apple is shit in a lot of ways, but it's not just sheeple buying them.

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Exactly this.

Also if you aggregate the sale price of a £1000 unit, which is usually the price point I buy at you have to consider the total cost of ownership. This is 23 GBP a month (fucking bargain!) for the handset even if you replace it every 24 months when the AppleCare runs out. And you mitigate all risks other than it getting stolen which is probably covered by your household insurance unless you're an idiot.

What I can't understand is why people whine about the up front cost of a device rather than the utility versus total cost of ownership tradeoff.
tooki:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 02, 2020, 10:25:37 pm ---I have an iPhone because I got sick and tired of constant software bugs with Android devices.

My "new" (2020 generation) iPhone SE cost me fairly little second hand as flagship phones go, but the software is stable, Siri works well, battery life is excellent (2+ days with my usage profile.)  Maybe I can be tempted away from the walled Apple garden, but I don't want much from a phone.  I don't care that it's customisable,  I'm past that,  it needs to work, be fast, and be easy to use.  Repairability of most flagship phones is similar now (they all have glued screens, glued batteries, locked software) so I don't see how that makes that much difference.  I'm guaranteed security/software updates for at least 6 years (my older iPhone was still getting security updates.)  Also, I trust Apple far more with my privacy than Google, as Apple do actually respect it, by design.

Sure, Apple is shit in a lot of ways, but it's not just sheeple buying them.

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Frankly, I don’t even believe this mythical “sheeple” exists. Real people choose products for real reasons. What puzzles me is why people who have different priorities can’t accept that everyone’s priorities aren’t the same as theirs, and dismiss as brainwashed “sheeple” people who actually made the decision because of sound reasons (just reasons the dismissers don’t understand or particularly care about).



--- Quote from: Red Squirrel on November 02, 2020, 09:51:49 pm ---What I hate is the fact that the sheeple will continue to flock over the Apple no matter what insane crap they pull off.  They could not care less about the environment or repairability.  "Oh I'll just buy another one if it breaks" after spending over a grand on a phone.  :palm:  Also I don't get why they are already releasing a new phone, didn't the 11 like just come out less than a year ago? 

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See above about the ignorant “sheeple” comment.

Apple cares more about the environment than any other major electronics manufacturer. No others do nearly as much in that regard. Is there more to do? Always. But choosing another brand for this reason is completely backward.

No, the iPhone 11 was released in September of 2019, right on the usual annual schedule.

Besides, why do you care? It’s not as though most iPhone 11 owners are gonna run and upgrade, and their upgrading wouldn’t affect you anyway. Most people keep their phones several years, something Apple encourages through very long OS support cycles on iPhones. The 6S I only just replaced with the new SE (because of needing multiple repairs sooner than I could get parts, thanks corona...) originally shipped with iOS 9, and still runs the current iOS 14, and with perfectly usable performance, not particularly slow even compared to the new SE. That’s 5 OS upgrades excluding its original OS! No Android phone has ever gotten 5 years of updates.



--- Quote from: bd139 on November 02, 2020, 11:05:57 pm ---What I can't understand is why people whine about the up front cost of a device rather than the utility versus total cost of ownership tradeoff.

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Right? And what I understand even less is people who whine about how other people choose to spend their own money, like our friend Red Squirrel above.



--- Quote from: SilverSolder on November 02, 2020, 10:59:59 pm ---
I long for the old days where a phone was just a phone...  I don't like using small displays so I rarely use any capabilities other than texting.


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Then buy a simple phone instead of a smartphone. They still exist. Or use a low end smartphone and ignore most of what it can do. It’s not as though other people’s smartphones affect what you do with your phone.
bd139:
Yeah on the iPhone 11 thing, I have an XR I bought at the end of 2018. I've got until December before AppleCare runs out. I'll probably buy a 12 then and probably on Amazon :-//. I don't really care about yearly upgrades, just when my risks are no longer mitigated.
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