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Apple privacy letter (Law enforcement through your phone)

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magic:

--- Quote from: Halcyon on August 25, 2022, 05:54:17 am ---People much smarter than you
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Was it really necessary, and from a moderator at that? ;)

The only personal remark about you I recall making is that I doubt you know the details of this scheme's implementation, and you don't seem to be denying this.


--- Quote from: Halcyon on August 25, 2022, 05:54:17 am ---have tried to argue this point in court and have failed.

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I made no claims about validity of any arguments.


--- Quote from: Halcyon on August 25, 2022, 05:54:17 am ---As I said, you can consider MD5 "broken", but it's still in wide use today, and that's perfectly OK for these types of applications.

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It isn't suitable, because MD5 collision attacks are known which enable creation of identical different files with the same checksum.

I could upload one such file containing CP somewhere so it would end up in the police database.
I could send a different file with the same checksum to you and you would save it because it doesn't look like CP to you.

Your cloud account is banned automatically and maybe you have the pigs knocking on your door if they didn't look at the file and just "trusted the experts". Enjoy all your electronics sized for a search and maybe returned after a few months/years if they find nothing, or maybe they find some pirate Windows or other shit.

Miyuki:

--- Quote from: Bicurico on August 24, 2022, 02:23:09 pm ---If you want to share any form of ilicit data, you use regular mail and send a USB disk or an SD card.

This is quick and safe for the criminal, since the data can be easily encrypted beyond govermental decryption methods. Plus, it is easy to hide the data to start with. A regular letter with attached MicroSD that shows a Word document is all there is to be found. Run an "undelete" tool and gigabytes of files are revealed. Or just include a ZIP archive with a very long password.

And with this simple example I think I have shown how ridiculous it is to control the ENTIRE POPULATION and remove their privacy to find a few criminals who just use a more secure method.

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Just be aware that not telling a password is considered a crime in some countries
And avoiding modern "conveniences" like having everything in the cloud can make you a suspicious person together with sending letters
But agree

But it is nothing new. All that law enforcement is targeted toward low-hanging fruits. Like in a war against drugs. They catch a few grannies smuggling a bag of coke and a drug addict dealer from the back street and call it a success while spending millions  ::)

Bicurico:

--- Quote from: Miyuki on August 25, 2022, 08:21:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Bicurico on August 24, 2022, 02:23:09 pm ---If you want to share any form of ilicit data, you use regular mail and send a USB disk or an SD card.

This is quick and safe for the criminal, since the data can be easily encrypted beyond govermental decryption methods. Plus, it is easy to hide the data to start with. A regular letter with attached MicroSD that shows a Word document is all there is to be found. Run an "undelete" tool and gigabytes of files are revealed. Or just include a ZIP archive with a very long password.

And with this simple example I think I have shown how ridiculous it is to control the ENTIRE POPULATION and remove their privacy to find a few criminals who just use a more secure method.

--- End quote ---
Just be aware that not telling a password is considered a crime in some countries
And avoiding modern "conveniences" like having everything in the cloud can make you a suspicious person together with sending letters
But agree

But it is nothing new. All that law enforcement is targeted toward low-hanging fruits. Like in a war against drugs. They catch a few grannies smuggling a bag of coke and a drug addict dealer from the back street and call it a success while spending millions  ::)

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If I was a criminal and wanted to share 1TB of illegal data (of whatever sort), I would simply exchange a 2.5" HDD in person, considering that I am not targeted, yet, which is what all this mass-surveillance is all about.

You have to be pretty dumb to think that the average criminal of IT related stuff is stupid enough to put illegal content on a cloud server, web server or mail server.
 

Miyuki:

--- Quote from: Bicurico on August 25, 2022, 11:07:06 am ---
--- Quote from: Miyuki on August 25, 2022, 08:21:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Bicurico on August 24, 2022, 02:23:09 pm ---If you want to share any form of ilicit data, you use regular mail and send a USB disk or an SD card.

This is quick and safe for the criminal, since the data can be easily encrypted beyond govermental decryption methods. Plus, it is easy to hide the data to start with. A regular letter with attached MicroSD that shows a Word document is all there is to be found. Run an "undelete" tool and gigabytes of files are revealed. Or just include a ZIP archive with a very long password.

And with this simple example I think I have shown how ridiculous it is to control the ENTIRE POPULATION and remove their privacy to find a few criminals who just use a more secure method.

--- End quote ---
Just be aware that not telling a password is considered a crime in some countries
And avoiding modern "conveniences" like having everything in the cloud can make you a suspicious person together with sending letters
But agree

But it is nothing new. All that law enforcement is targeted toward low-hanging fruits. Like in a war against drugs. They catch a few grannies smuggling a bag of coke and a drug addict dealer from the back street and call it a success while spending millions  ::)

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If I was a criminal and wanted to share 1TB of illegal data (of whatever sort), I would simply exchange a 2.5" HDD in person, considering that I am not targeted, yet, which is what all this mass-surveillance is all about.

You have to be pretty dumb to think that the average criminal of IT related stuff is stupid enough to put illegal content on a cloud server, web server or mail server.

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Politicians do dumb things like this all the time
And they expect criminals are at the same level

PlainName:

--- Quote from: Halcyon on August 25, 2022, 03:02:32 am ---
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on August 24, 2022, 05:08:14 pm ---
--- Quote ---This may "catch" a few idiots, but unfortunately, I'd think most criminals would know better than to put pictures or videos on surveilled phones
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Idiots like, say, the police?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/19/police-chief-convicted-for-having-child-sex-abuse-video-on-phone-robyn-williams

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I think that's a bit of a generalisation. The actions of an individual does not mean that all in that group are idiots. I've personally investigated police internally for similar crimes, does that make me an idiot? Nope. I'm glad we got them though! The last guy got something like 16 years in jail. Good result.

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Ah, I didn't mean it labelled any policemaperson as an idiot. Rather that it can erroneously catch and screw over even those who know the rules inside out and are generally seen as trustworthy and above board individuals. Your average citizen doesn't stand a chance in comparison.

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