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| Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: wraper on August 09, 2022, 01:01:48 pm --- Their threats are not empty for anyone who does business within China. They get shut down or are severely punished pretty quickly if rub CCP the wrong way. I don't think they will shut down Apple as it brings export money, however they can deal a lot of pain for sure. --- End quote --- That's exactly why I would think that most western businesses would want to seriously GTF out of China. It's clear that China is getting more and more belligerent as time goes on. There are plenty of much more stable countries that would welcome companies like Apple and many of them would not be affected by global shipping problems of the sort that we've seen with China. China's response to Covid and with them having to shutdown major ports and cities for months on end should be sufficient reason by itself for many western companies to leave. China is building man made islands out in the major shipping lanes means that they will almost certainly declare large parts of the shipping lanes as "Territorial Waters" in the near future. That would allow them to deny access to vessels registered in, owned by or traveling to or from, any country that they disagree with. That should be reason enough for western companies to start looking for new area for their product production. Also if I was a large technology company like Apple, I would move all of my engineering and production to a country where IP rights actually meant something. |
| bd139:
You can't just leave China. It's where a bunch of the raw materials are. To access them they made it difficult to export the materials and easier to move manufacturing within their control. YMMV but making less unadulterated crap might be a better approach to the future. Longer product cycles, better product maturity, better repairability and parts supply, much longer lifespans, less materials used which are more responsibly sourced and lower complexity is where we need to go. China is irrelevant if we make that change. But no one is going to do that while someone is making coin out of outsourcing and the competition is doing it. You'll just disappear. |
| Kasper:
--- Quote from: tooki on August 09, 2022, 11:39:28 am --- --- Quote from: danielmeyers on August 09, 2022, 08:53:31 am ---Apple has always been unprincipled, never interested in anything but money.[...] --- End quote --- I’ve worked for Apple, and can say with confidence that they do have goals beyond just making money. (And in some areas, like supplier responsibility and environmental impact, Apple is far ahead of any competitor.) [...] --- End quote --- "Far ahead of any competitor" is a bold statement. I bet you meant 'I worked at apple and it seemed like they cared.' Or have you also worked in multiple departments at every single one of their competitors? |
| bd139:
--- Quote from: Kasper on August 09, 2022, 02:05:30 pm --- --- Quote from: tooki on August 09, 2022, 11:39:28 am --- --- Quote from: danielmeyers on August 09, 2022, 08:53:31 am ---Apple has always been unprincipled, never interested in anything but money.[...] --- End quote --- I’ve worked for Apple, and can say with confidence that they do have goals beyond just making money. (And in some areas, like supplier responsibility and environmental impact, Apple is far ahead of any competitor.) [...] --- End quote --- "Far ahead of any competitor" is a bold statement. I bet you meant 'I worked at apple and it seemed like they cared.' Or have you also worked in multiple departments at every single one of their competitors? --- End quote --- It’s accurate and publicly documented. Go do some research. |
| Kasper:
--- Quote from: bd139 on August 09, 2022, 02:09:12 pm --- --- Quote from: Kasper on August 09, 2022, 02:05:30 pm --- --- Quote from: tooki on August 09, 2022, 11:39:28 am --- --- Quote from: danielmeyers on August 09, 2022, 08:53:31 am ---Apple has always been unprincipled, never interested in anything but money.[...] --- End quote --- I’ve worked for Apple, and can say with confidence that they do have goals beyond just making money. (And in some areas, like supplier responsibility and environmental impact, Apple is far ahead of any competitor.) [...] --- End quote --- "Far ahead of any competitor" is a bold statement. I bet you meant 'I worked at apple and it seemed like they cared.' Or have you also worked in multiple departments at every single one of their competitors? --- End quote --- It’s accurate and publicly documented. Go do some research. --- End quote --- Just to be clear, the statement is 'far ahead'. Not ahead of average. Not ahead of every one else. It is 'far ahead' of every single competitor. They must be doing some amazing stuff then, to make up for the fact that they have more versions of charge cables than average, they don't make it easy to replace batteries and they purposefully slow down older devices. |
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