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Zero999:

--- Quote from: mendip_discovery on July 24, 2023, 10:00:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 24, 2023, 07:47:38 pm ---I'm not familure with some of the initialisations used above:

IPs
BttF

What the heck do they mean?

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Sorry I like my MLA a bit too much.

IP Intellectual Property. In this case things such as Star Wars and Indiana Joned.

Great Scott! I could explain the BttF one but I'm driving at 88mph and I am OUTATIME.

Hail Drinker! But Critical Doggo is better in my opinion.

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What threw me was they haven't ruined their IP, they still have the old films and they could make good news ones based on them, if they kept politics out, hence the question. In hindsight, it was me being a little pedantic, since everyone else got the point. :palm:
tom66:

--- Quote from: vad on July 25, 2023, 12:32:45 am ---Barbieheimer collected $235.5 million combined in North America during their opening weekend. Considering the average movie ticket price of $10.45, this means that approximately 22 million people, which accounts for 6% of the population in the US and Canada, went to see the movies last weekend.

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Probably even more.  Cinemas usually keep around 15-25% of the ticket price at the early stage.  After the first month or so, they can keep upwards of 50%.

I've always wondered how things like this are audited.  I've never seen a movie studio bloke counting the people in the cinema, but I guess it must happen.


--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on July 24, 2023, 09:39:56 pm ---Indeed. It mainly conveys ideas/ideology of a very small minority. Not quite new though, it's been ongoing for a few years already.

While there are reasons for that, the "interesting" part is how companies, the business model of which normally relies on a large number of people liking the content they produce, manage to survive in spite of pleasing only a small minority and annoying the majority. *That* is concerning. That's when the "market" doesn't really decide anymore, and this should mean this is not a free market anymore. Just a thought.
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I think you're underestimating the size of the "minority" based on the bubble you hang out with - you will tend to hang out with people who sympathise with your views - otherwise they would be less likely to be in your bubble. My sister is pretty into the "far left" of things (I consider myself left of centre but I've been told believing capitalism is a good thing puts me on the right wing so who knows.)  She's got a fairly large bubble of friends on social networks and in person and when they get talking about things it's clear a lot of people are more left wing than I thought I was.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: tom66 on July 25, 2023, 08:13:36 am ---I think you're underestimating the size of the "minority" based on the bubble you hang out with - you will tend to hang out with people who sympathise with your views - otherwise they would be less likely to be in your bubble. My sister is pretty into the "far left" of things (I consider myself left of centre but I've been told believing capitalism is a good thing puts me on the right wing so who knows.)  She's got a fairly large bubble of friends on social networks and in person and when they get talking about things it's clear a lot of people are more left wing than I thought I was.

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That's what I used to think, but as per my previous comment, seeing the comments to news videos (BBC, Channel Four ITV, not Fox GBNews) has made me reconsider. It's possible people who post YouTube comments tend to be right-wing, but I don't see why that would be the case.

I woudn't say it's even accurate to say everything has shifed leftwards. Econmically, the media has shifted right, most likely down to the failure of planned ecconomies, where ever they've been tried. Socially speaking, there's been a definite leftward trend, which is apparent in cinima and is very much out of step with the public. If that wasn't the case, then films pushing socially progressive ideas wouldn't have been such huges flops.
tom66:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 25, 2023, 09:31:37 am ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on July 25, 2023, 08:13:36 am ---I think you're underestimating the size of the "minority" based on the bubble you hang out with - you will tend to hang out with people who sympathise with your views - otherwise they would be less likely to be in your bubble. My sister is pretty into the "far left" of things (I consider myself left of centre but I've been told believing capitalism is a good thing puts me on the right wing so who knows.)  She's got a fairly large bubble of friends on social networks and in person and when they get talking about things it's clear a lot of people are more left wing than I thought I was.

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That's what I used to think, but as per my previous comment, seeing the comments to news videos (BBC, Channel Four ITV, not Fox GBNews) has made me reconsider. It's possible people who post YouTube comments tend to be right-wing, but I don't see why that would be the case.

I woudn't say it's even accurate to say everything has shifed leftwards. Econmically, the media has shifted right, most likely down to the failure of planned ecconomies, where ever they've been tried. Socially speaking, there's been a definite leftward trend, which is apparent in cinima and is very much out of step with the public. If that wasn't the case, then films pushing socially progressive ideas wouldn't have been such huges flops.

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I'm sure a huge amount of the comments on news websites, YouTube et al are bots - on both sides of the spectrum.  For the few that aren't bots, you have to realise that the people who take time to comment on things are the most 'outraged'.  The news websites also moderate comments on there, and moderators may well remove comments that don't align with the website's bias.  The centre which just doesn't really care (and for whom politicians target because they tend to swing one way or another) isn't the kind to debate politics online so you'll rarely hear from them; and you're unlikely to see a Just Stop Oil supporter posting on the Daily Mail's website.

I don't know what the solution is to this really, if you want to get as little bias as possible in understanding what people think then take a look at surveys that cover the whole political spectrum, and websites that aggregate this and take predicting things accurately as part of their reputation.  For instance, for whatever you think of Nate Silver, his 538 polls model has usually been pretty close to being on the money for US election results (I believe they called the most recent senate election within a few percent, they predicted Biden and Trump's wins respectively, as well as Obama's 2012 run, with decent accuracy.)   
AndyC_772:

--- Quote from: tom66 on July 25, 2023, 11:35:08 am ---I don't know what the solution is to this really,
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Read more than one source of news - but choose sources that aren't so far from your own viewpoint that they'll just make you angry.

I get my Left leaning news from the BBC, and my Right leaning news from the Telegraph.
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