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Zero999:

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--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 25, 2023, 09:31:37 am ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on July 25, 2023, 08:13:36 am ---I think you're underestimating the size of the "minority" based on the bubble you hang out with - you will tend to hang out with people who sympathise with your views - otherwise they would be less likely to be in your bubble. My sister is pretty into the "far left" of things (I consider myself left of centre but I've been told believing capitalism is a good thing puts me on the right wing so who knows.)  She's got a fairly large bubble of friends on social networks and in person and when they get talking about things it's clear a lot of people are more left wing than I thought I was.

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That's what I used to think, but as per my previous comment, seeing the comments to news videos (BBC, Channel Four ITV, not Fox GBNews) has made me reconsider. It's possible people who post YouTube comments tend to be right-wing, but I don't see why that would be the case.

I woudn't say it's even accurate to say everything has shifed leftwards. Econmically, the media has shifted right, most likely down to the failure of planned ecconomies, where ever they've been tried. Socially speaking, there's been a definite leftward trend, which is apparent in cinima and is very much out of step with the public. If that wasn't the case, then films pushing socially progressive ideas wouldn't have been such huges flops.

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I'm sure a huge amount of the comments on news websites, YouTube et al are bots - on both sides of the spectrum.  For the few that aren't bots, you have to realise that the people who take time to comment on things are the most 'outraged'.  The news websites also moderate comments on there, and moderators may well remove comments that don't align with the website's bias.  The centre which just doesn't really care (and for whom politicians target because they tend to swing one way or another) isn't the kind to debate politics online so you'll rarely hear from them; and you're unlikely to see a Just Stop Oil supporter posting on the Daily Mail's website.
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Then one would think there would be an equal number of outraged people from both sides of the political spectrum. I doubt it's moderation, since it's YouTube and the comments are mostly arguing against the channel's perspective. It doesn't matter whether the video is complaining about, what they call a far-right party, or praising a unversity's mission to increase diversity in STEM subjects, the comments tend to reflect more right-wing views. It's not me, because I'm a little right of centre. I also know I've drifted further right in many areas, because I dissagree with many of my old posts and comments, as well as voting differently.


--- Quote ---I don't know what the solution is to this really, if you want to get as little bias as possible in understanding what people think then take a look at surveys that cover the whole political spectrum, and websites that aggregate this and take predicting things accurately as part of their reputation.  For instance, for whatever you think of Nate Silver, his 538 polls model has usually been pretty close to being on the money for US election results (I believe they called the most recent senate election within a few percent, they predicted Biden and Trump's wins respectively, as well as Obama's 2012 run, with decent accuracy.)

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It's easier to predict election results than to gauge public opinion on specific issues, such Brexit, which they failed to predict.

--- Quote from: AndyC_772 on July 25, 2023, 01:24:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on July 25, 2023, 11:35:08 am ---I don't know what the solution is to this really,
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Read more than one source of news - but choose sources that aren't so far from your own viewpoint that they'll just make you angry.

I get my Left leaning news from the BBC, and my Right leaning news from the Telegraph.


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Some things just get me angry, regardless of how they are reported. The Telegaph might criticise something which I see as bad and I still feel anger, just the same as I would if I read the Guardian's positive take on it.

tom66:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 25, 2023, 01:29:40 pm ---It's easier to predict election results than to gauge public opinion on specific issues, such Brexit, which they failed to predict.

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Dunno about "failed to predict".  Obviously the Cameron ministry thought they'd get away with it and kill off UKIP in the process with a solid Remain win, but pretty quickly the polling around the issue showed it was highly divisive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#/media/File:UK_EU_referendum_polling.svg

In the end, it was a swing of a few percent - 48% to 52%.  Well within margin of error for the polls and you could see Leave gaining traction on the day towards the referendum as the big faces behind Leave pushed hard.  Remain floundered due to lack of cohesive vision and divisiveness in the major lefty party Labour, and the Tories were also divided quite badly.  This made it easier for Leave to gain the support of the electorate.   

Ironically, Farage said that if it went "Leave 48% and Remain 52%" it would be grounds for a second referendum, and then opposed one when it went near-exactly the other way in his favour (52% Leave 48% Remain).   :-DD

It's really going great, I try not to think about how stupid the whole situation has been.  Though admittedly, it could have gone worse - we've ended up with an outcome which hasn't been catastrophic, but it's hard to see any great benefits either.

Anyway, this is about cinemas, not so much politics.  Around here, they're still quite packed, and if it was truly as bad as some have claimed, there'd be no one there and  they'd be going out of business.  Some chains are struggling, but usually due to high debt racked up over COVID, rather than any lack of business (which is why Cineworld UK is trying to restructure rather than sell off.)

coppice:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 25, 2023, 01:29:40 pm ---It's easier to predict election results than to gauge public opinion on specific issues, such Brexit, which they failed to predict.

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I don't think its that hard to predict any of these things (unless they are actually super close), but you need to step outside your echo chamber to do it. A lot of people find that very hard to do, especially as societies are becoming more polarised.

jonovid:
I suspect the future of movies is digital remastering of more then 30 Years of classics.
the same movie with the same story but now in 4K resolution with 4 channel sound, thanks to AI digital remastering.
as for all new movies,  its do or die for hollywood, gave the public that they want, gave the public Entertainment! Not political nonsense.

the strikes are like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.  the AI genie is out of the bottle.

mengfei:
Will AI save or destroy the Movie industry?
They say chatgpt5 would have feelings or emotion like humans & might have the senses we have, so it could create a story line that's both touching & full of emotions that can bring our inner thoughts back to life that was hidden somewhere in the folders of our brain add to that the visuals that would stimulate our outer brain.

With such tech, who needs Hollywood?

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