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| tom66:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 26, 2023, 09:40:16 pm --- --- Quote from: tom66 on July 26, 2023, 09:35:28 pm ---Avatar 2 broke $2.3 billion at the box office. For a sequel to an epic, that's bloody amazing. --- End quote --- Sequels to popular movies almost always make considerably more than the original, even when the sequel is widely considered to suck. --- End quote --- $2.3 billion was less than the original (that took in $2.9 billion), but it had a budget of $450 million. Even if you assume the marketing cost another $1 billion (apparently the marketing budget for big films can often be as much as the original budget if not more) they have a licence to print money on a film like that. I am sure Cameron will be able to afford a few more dives to the Titanic after his revenue cheque comes in... Point is, I don't think Hollywood is struggling. Not yet. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: tom66 on July 26, 2023, 09:35:28 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on July 26, 2023, 07:18:53 pm --- --- Quote ---Anyway, this is about cinemas, not so much politics. Around here, they're still quite packed, and if it was truly as bad as some have claimed, there'd be no one there and they'd be going out of business. Some chains are struggling, but usually due to high debt racked up over COVID, rather than any lack of business (which is why Cineworld UK is trying to restructure rather than sell off.) --- End quote --- It is political. Holywood have made it so, by pushing their political views on everyone. This appears to be a problem with the mainstream media in many countries. I only brought up Brexit, not to discuss it, but because it highlights the difference between the views of the mainstream media and general public. I don't know how cinemas are doing where I live. It's just the fact that profits are down for Holywood. It might not have much to do with cinema theatres themselves, because there are other sources of revenue. --- End quote --- Your assessment is that people aren't going to cinemas as much because of politics, but the left-wing politics of Hollywood has been a thing for decades and box office sales, at least pre-pandemic, were never so high. So this isn't borne out in the data. https://www.statista.com/statistics/271856/global-box-office-revenue/ --- End quote --- The pandemic has essentially been over for a year now, yet according to that graph, numbers don't appear to have recovered. It's possible it's a long term trend and nothing to do with politics, as people have moved on to other ways of watching films such as streaming. On the other hand, the political bias has only become blatant since the pandemic. --- Quote ---Avatar 2 broke $2.3 billion at the box office. For a sequel to an epic, that's bloody amazing. It's full of the stuff you love to hate, the series is based on the idea of endangered peoples and animals being extinguished by careless and malicious humans, if that's not political I don't know what is. I personally went to see it. Plot was meh, but the visuals were absolutely outstanding. --- End quote --- It's not politics which is a killer but the progressive variety. The Little Mermaid was a classic example. I won't see that because it's not the kind of film which will interest me. I find visuals boring, without a decent story. One of the reasons why I don't watch films much is because many of them are needlessly padded with boring action scenes and CGI. :=\ --- Quote ---We'll need to wait till the end of 2023, as that is the first year where there were virtually no restrictions on any social activity in any country, and people felt generally comfortable in busy auditoriums again, to see for sure. But projections suggest 2023 based on present results will have higher takings than 2019. --- End quote --- Well takings will need to be higher to match inflation, which has been very high recently. We'll see. Hopefully they'll learn. I think it's also possible conservatives complaining about wokeness might even have the reverse effect. Barbie is apparently doing better in Republican states, so perhaps they're hate watching it. :palm: |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 26, 2023, 10:02:16 pm ---The pandemic has essentially been over for a year now, yet according to that graph, numbers don't appear to have recovered. It's possible it's a long term trend and nothing to do with politics, as people have moved on to other ways of watching films such as streaming. On the other hand, the political bias has only become blatant since the pandemic. --- End quote --- The UK still had pandemic restrictions as of Dec 2021, many of these drifted into 2022. https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/2022-12/timeline-coronavirus-lockdown-december-2021.pdf Rightly so studios did not want to release in 2022 until they were comfortable they would have good audiences. Look at what happened to TENET in Sep 2020. You still had to wear a mask then in UK cinemas. So attendance was low. It wasn't until mid May 2022 that all restrictions on socialisation were lifted in the UK, though advice still persisted for some time thereafter. We lived through over two years of pandemic restrictions. (I'm definitely not a fan of ever doing that ever again, but, politics.) Many other European countries had restrictions too. When I visited Barcelona in April 2022, you had to wear a mask on public transport, in cafes/bars/restaurants (except when eating) and other places. I don't recall if cinemas were restricted, but it wouldn't surprise me if people were nervous or were "I don't want to go if I have to wear a mask" (can't blame them!) |
| daqq:
--- Quote from: tom66 on July 26, 2023, 09:35:28 pm ---but the left-wing politics of Hollywood has been a thing for decades and box office sales, at least pre-pandemic, were never so high. --- End quote --- Come now, it's the difference between having a small message in a decent story (Star-Trek for most of its existence) and bashing the audience over the head with a crude club made out of pandering while screaming political slogans, riding a barely coherent story that's pretending to be the continuation of a beloved IP. There was a time when a new Marvel movie was an exciting feature and there was a time when I'd have greeted a new Star Wars project with joy and excitement. Now I just groan. If you need further proof of the decline of the art of story telling in Hollywood, look at Velma, She-Hulk, the awful remakes who's biggest marketing promotion is "Behold our diverse cast and revised message!" instead of "Recapturing the magic", the newer Star Trek stuff, Rings of Power, or any number of other series or movies spewed forth. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: daqq on July 27, 2023, 07:22:20 am --- --- Quote from: tom66 on July 26, 2023, 09:35:28 pm ---but the left-wing politics of Hollywood has been a thing for decades and box office sales, at least pre-pandemic, were never so high. --- End quote --- Come now, it's the difference between having a small message in a decent story (Star-Trek for most of its existence) and bashing the audience over the head with a crude club made out of pandering while screaming political slogans, riding a barely coherent story that's pretending to be the continuation of a beloved IP. There was a time when a new Marvel movie was an exciting feature and there was a time when I'd have greeted a new Star Wars project with joy and excitement. Now I just groan. If you need further proof of the decline of the art of story telling in Hollywood, look at Velma, She-Hulk, the awful remakes who's biggest marketing promotion is "Behold our diverse cast and revised message!" instead of "Recapturing the magic", the newer Star Trek stuff, Rings of Power, or any number of other series or movies spewed forth. --- End quote --- It's when they do silly things such as change the main character from a white man to a black woman, or make them gay, which has annoyed a lot of people, then they claim racism, misogyny, homophobia etc. when they get negative comments and it flops. Most people aren't bigoted. There have been successful films with non-white and non-straight main characters, but they were new and original, not a classic with the story changed to fit a progressive agenda and the actors chosen to tick boxes. |
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