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tom66:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 27, 2023, 08:49:05 pm ---It's when they do silly things such as change the main character from a white man to a black woman, or make them gay, which has annoyed a lot of people, then they claim racism, misogyny, homophobia etc. when they get negative comments and it flops. Most people aren't bigoted. There have been successful films with non-white and non-straight main characters, but they were new and original, not a classic with the story changed to fit a progressive agenda and the actors chosen to tick boxes.

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Agreed, those are shit.  For instance, the Ghostbusters film with all-female cast was critically panned, because it was badly written and leaned very heavily on the female cast being "unique" rather than having a good story.

But this is bad storytelling, and I don't agree that it is all that common.  Is it more common? It seems so, I wouldn't say no... but it's certainly far from normal to have a plot that's just been turned around to fit diverse characters in it and flopped as a result.  Hollywood isn't stupid and they want to make money from films (Ghostbusters 2016 lost money).   

I'd say the BBC are currently experimenting with a new Doctor in Dr Who, they tried Jodie Foster which I thought was a bit of a damp squib and unfortunately a letdown for a female Doctor.  She had terrible scripts, she's historically been a very good actor so it could have worked if the writing and direction was done properly.  I'm looking forward to seeing how Ncuti Gatwa plays the 15th, I will approach it with an open mind, as they have Russell T Davies back to run the show and he knows how to write a good Who.

For a film with a diverse cast that was very well received look at Black Panther, I think there are two main white characters in the whole film, Martin Freeman being one of them.  The sequel was okay too but not as good as the original, the villain was boring.

coppice:

--- Quote from: tom66 on July 27, 2023, 09:21:49 pm ---For instance, the Ghostbusters film with all-female cast was critically panned, because it was badly written and leaned very heavily on the female cast being "unique" rather than having a good story.

But this is bad storytelling, and I don't agree that it is all that common.  Is it more common? It seems so, I wouldn't say no... but it's certainly far from normal to have a plot that's just been turned around to fit diverse characters in it and flopped as a result.  Hollywood isn't stupid and they want to make money from films (Ghostbusters 2016 lost money).

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If that were true the last 7 years wouldn't have been filled with Ghostbuster 2016 remakes, given various names but with the same basic premise, that a good script is unnecessary. The current writers strike was a real surprise. They still have script writers for Hollywood movies?

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Zero999:

--- Quote from: tom66 on July 27, 2023, 09:21:49 pm ---I'd say the BBC are currently experimenting with a new Doctor in Dr Who, they tried Jodie Foster which I thought was a bit of a damp squib and unfortunately a letdown for a female Doctor.  She had terrible scripts, she's historically been a very good actor so it could have worked if the writing and direction was done properly.  I'm looking forward to seeing how Ncuti Gatwa plays the 15th, I will approach it with an open mind, as they have Russell T Davies back to run the show and he knows how to write a good Who.
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Of they could have just kept Dr Who the same.

I don't watch TV now, as I don't have a licence, but I know the BBC have had programmes with a lead black actor (Luther) and a main female character (Silent Witness), which were both quite popular.


--- Quote ---For a film with a diverse cast that was very well received look at Black Panther, I think there are two main white characters in the whole film, Martin Freeman being one of them.  The sequel was okay too but not as good as the original, the villain was boring.

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If they're mostly black, then that's not very diverse.

tom66:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 28, 2023, 06:49:53 pm ---Of they could have just kept Dr Who the same.

I don't watch TV now, as I don't have a licence, but I know the BBC have had programmes with a lead black actor (Luther) and a main female character (Silent Witness), which were both quite popular.
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The Doctor frequently regenerates, it's a role that actors don't seem to want to do for long for whatever reason,  Matt Smith was reportedly bored of it so they cast a new actor.  One of the benefits of a sci-fi show where you can plot-wave you way out of changing what the main actor looks like.  There was no keeping it the same, each actor plays the Doctor differently (it's literally canon in the show that each Doctor has its own character and behaviour even if they "the same" individual) and it's up to the screenwriter to adapt the script to suit.


--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 28, 2023, 06:49:53 pm ---If they're mostly black, then that's not very diverse.
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Well, now you're just playing with words.  There aren't many films like it where almost all of the actors are black, certainly none that achieved the box-office results it did.  Call it diverse or not, but it was unique.

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