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Are good old rectangular metal project enclosures really that expensive now?
bdunham7:
--- Quote from: pqass on February 26, 2023, 04:59:18 am ---It's more than just the conversion.
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Isn't there a 5% VAT? And perhaps there are other direct or indirect expenses imposed by the government.
Messtechniker:
I strongly recommend salvaged ATX power supply boxes.
And if plastic is OK: bread containers. Those with locks are even IP 64 or so!
Cheaply available from any supermarket.
pqass:
--- Quote from: bdunham7 on February 26, 2023, 05:32:37 am ---
--- Quote from: pqass on February 26, 2023, 04:59:18 am ---It's more than just the conversion.
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Isn't there a 5% VAT? And perhaps there are other direct or indirect expenses imposed by the government.
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Nope, not included in that figure.
The conservative gov't of the early '90s said that they wanted to be transparent with sales taxes, so other than certain excise taxes on gasoline/diesel and liquour, all taxes are itemized.
Add 5% federal and 8% [Ontario] provincial on top of that (taxes on shipping costs too).
In some provinces it could be as much as 15% combined.
T3sl4co1l:
--- Quote from: jfiresto on February 25, 2023, 08:37:07 am ---
--- Quote from: EPAIII on February 25, 2023, 07:20:02 am ---Jan 20, 2021. Just what did you expect?
The prices you see are quite DELIBERATE. The aluminum in that box alone would cost around $20 to $25. Then there's labor and paint and packaging and shipping. And there you go....
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Aluminum closed yesterday at $2334.35 per metric ton which would mean the box would weigh around 10kg. There must be other more significant cost factors at play.
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Well... finished metal products (sheet) you can expect 5 or 10x more than that, easily. Final manufacturing another 5-10x on top of that. That's still a fraction of the total cost -- the remainder is sales and distribution markups.
Numbers would be more meaningful in the 1000s at least, let alone 100k+. I wonder what minimum quantity Hammond does direct, if at all?
Think of it like shopping for Wurth parts at Digi-Key. You're paying double markup, for just the convenience if anything at all.
Tim
jfiresto:
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on February 26, 2023, 07:18:29 am ---
--- Quote from: jfiresto on February 25, 2023, 08:37:07 am ---
--- Quote from: EPAIII on February 25, 2023, 07:20:02 am ---Jan 20, 2021. Just what did you expect?
The prices you see are quite DELIBERATE. The aluminum in that box alone would cost around $20 to $25. Then there's labor and paint and packaging and shipping. And there you go....
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Aluminum closed yesterday at $2334.35 per metric ton which would mean the box would weigh around 10kg. There must be other more significant cost factors at play.
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Well... finished metal products (sheet) you can expect 5 or 10x more than that, easily. Final manufacturing another 5-10x on top of that. That's still a fraction of the total cost -- the remainder is sales and distribution markups.
Numbers would be more meaningful in the 1000s at least, let alone 100k+. I wonder what minimum quantity Hammond does direct, if at all?
Think of it like shopping for Wurth parts at Digi-Key. You're paying double markup, for just the convenience if anything at all.
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I was being over specific, focusing on the elemental aluminum (the OP did not specify his term), in the hope that he would research the chain of mark ups.
As to that, I found an Indian firm advertised aluminum 6060 coil for not much more than the commodity market spot price. It may, however, actually be something else. I also found a U.S. vendor retailing Western Plastic food industry aluminum foil for around 8 dollars a pound which might upper bound a box's material cost. I do not know what alloy that would be.
Here in Germany, the Hammond analogue of a one of their thick-walled ABS boxes I recently purchased has only been 1~2% more, in unfinished aluminum, and ca. 45%(!) more in aluminum painted black, quantity one.
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