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Are we becoming old, cranky scrooges in these forums.
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floobydust:
TV and youtube are garbage for teaching you anything- it's like watching a video with someone explaining how to do a math exam. You don't actually experience the pain and learn the math, instead it's someone showing you the answers.
Society has some weird avoidance around "not knowing", as if it equals being dumb. The ability to figure out and learn things is what matters, that is where the gold is. "Not knowing" is a great place and piles of fun in electronics.

Some developing countries seem to feel entitled to our knowledge, instead of putting in the effort to learn the craft. When you do help them, they scold you about something and then change the info or requirements.
In extreme cases, there are posts commanding their entire design they need - "provide sample schematic, firmware and total explanation of circuit theory and operation" etc.
As if they are an outsourced contract employee... and clueless about how to live up to their fake resume claims.
maginnovision:

--- Quote from: floobydust on May 25, 2020, 11:15:01 pm ---TV and youtube are garbage for teaching you anything- it's like watching a video with someone explaining how to do a math exam. You don't actually experience the pain and learn the math, instead it's someone showing you the answers.

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I can't argue against this but I, pre-shutdown, belonged to a robotics club(actually a couple). So many of the members would use youtube videos to learn things and when you'd ask them about things they'd refer you to youtube. Years ago when I started going it really annoyed me especially when I'd actually watch one and find it was useless or even worse inaccurate/wrong. These weren't young people either, retired engineers, working engineers, doctors, ex-air force... They all seemed to get a large amount of their information from youtube. So even though WE know it's not very good a lot of people do it and that's what, I think, makes it so bad.
eti:

--- Quote from: schmitt trigger on May 25, 2020, 02:58:47 pm ---Have you noticed that slowly but surely, un-civilized discourse across most, if not all internet forums has increased?

It doesn't matter the topic being discussed, although certain forums (history, for instance) are the proverbial powder kegs waiting for an errant spark.
But even highly technical discussions are not immune, and we all have witnessed (or participated) on some which quickly degraded into the political realm, which is very polarized and ugly right now.

There are also specific instances in technical forums, made by newbies with preposterous questions: "Can anyone draw me a schematic for a 10,000w sinewave inverter? I have a 741 and a pair of 2N3055s that I would like to use." And when someone knowledgeable attempts to reason with them, they reply with a variation of "Are you going to help me out or not?"

And I know, I know.
Flame wars have existed since the beginning of time, back when users were lurking at text-only, monochrome displays.

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I had to step back, think for a moment, and wonder if you serious when you say "becoming" - BECOMING? HAH! DOUBLE-HAH!! TRIPLE-HAH!!! EEVblog forum members seem to be grumpy, miserable, nit-picking old gits BY DEFAULT - if ever I've seen grumpy, EEVblog magnifies this a billion fold to another level. So, yeah, I am not sure about the "becoming" part - I've always known of this forum as a place where arrogant, know-it-all, miserable saddos with no life hang out (and where they make it VERY CLEAR, very quickly that they have no life outside the "community" they kid themselves they're "part of".)

It's almost as if you're "expected" to put up with it, and be grateful for membership, and that it's "par for the course" - like this pedantic arrogance is worn as a "badge of pride" by many (not all, naturally).

Have you EVER heard such a flaming crock of shit as the concept of ANY online forum being a "community"? The term is bandied about ad nauseum, but it doesn't make it any more true. Whenever I see this bollocks about intermet "community" online, I wonder if those proposing that this spirit exists, have forgotten what REAL COMMUNITIES are about - people who are physically living within close proximity to one another, usually have known each other IN THE REAL, PHYSICAL WORLD for many years or decades, have been to dinner with one another, gone for days out together/holidays together, know one another's family members REALLY WELL and could be trusted to be left in those people's houses with their family and their private sanctuary... I dare not expand further - the utter  FANTASY of text on a website, being anywhere REMOTELY close to a REAL communtiy, is beyond words delusional.

If I am out for a walk and get caught short, and need a sh## and you don't bat an eyelid when I knock on your door and ask to use your WC, *THEN* I know you're a real friend.

Anyway, you got my view - take or leave it, it's no skin off my nose, but "becoming" grumpy? LOL.
KL27x:

--- Quote ---So, yeah, I am not sure about the "becoming" part - I've always known of this forum as a place where arrogant, know-it-all, miserable saddos with no life hang out (and where they make it VERY CLEAR, very quickly that they have no life outside the "community" they kid themselves they're "part of".)
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In my mind, you're describing me. Except I have no illusion I'm a part of a community, other than this is a place where some people are compelled to occasionally read and respond to what I post.

Personally, I have never felt a part of a community what you describe, and I'm not sure I want that. My friends are few. Most of the "friends" I've had in life were more liability than asset.

Humans are self-interested, egocentric, and have ulterior motives and agendas. That's why we're above animals. That's why we suck. Half my posts on this forum, I am not there for that. I'm just there to tell you that you're wrong. In case you were curious how things really work. :)
rsjsouza:
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