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Are we becoming old, cranky scrooges in these forums.
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floobydust:
I see a link between OP noticing more discourse in forums, and TV and youtube.

Plopping kids in front of a TV for many hours, does damage their brains. This is proven and the younger generations are products of this kind of parenting. Aggression was an interesting side effect. If TV could really teach, classrooms and teachers would be obsolete. 
My point- the brain doesn't store the content, just try to remember a TED Talk you've watched... it's just a little dopamine buzz that effects your psyche. I had Lego and books and a tiny bit of TV as a kid, which makes a person different. Then the prevalence of more TV, videos, video games, Internet... generations are more and more affected by all this content flowing into our children like a drug.

On the forums, troll food is also a little dopamine buzz from derailing a thread or shitposting, feeling important and powerful. You may notice angry bear members who hate the people here, but stick around for some reason, what's in it for them.

There are no means to stop people from derailing a thread, trolling, going into personal attacks, shitposting etc. Mods can shut down a thread as only a last resort.
But relying on common courtesy and respect is very noble but I don't think it's enough because one troll can kill a thread with 100's people in it.
The very smart people I know are just no longer participating in Internet forums because the S/N ratio is poor, it's hostile and draining of energy.
engrguy42:
Rick Law, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but since the beginning of time companies selling products add the cost of advertising to the price of the product. Youtube is no different. They're an advertising agency.

The issue was raised that creators get little or no money for all their work, but users don't pay them for it. Instead they act entitled to get what they want. Whether we pay for advertising when we buy products seems a bit irrelevant doesn't it? We also pay for shipping, and manufacturing, and employee benefits, and so on when we buy products. 
schmitt trigger:

--- Quote from: tkamiya on May 26, 2020, 08:50:26 pm ---  This year is quite special in that Covid-19 virus has placed enormous stress on everyone.  That's probably the main course if it's suddenly happening.

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I believe that you hit the nail in the head.

Not only the lockdown itself, but the economies are tanking and many (myself included) have lost or will lose their jobs. The incessant bad news, the outrage between groups about how to deal with the fallout.....all these factors take its toll.
Someone:
Already two entirely separate conversations.

"cranky scrooges" vs low post count demanders. There is an endless supply of eager/optimistic young people who will answer questions feeling like they are contributing. This group strongly overlaps with those with little to no real experience or ability (Dunning–Kruger etc). If left to run you end up with a forum full of questions and rubbish answers, which encourages more of the same behaviour. Combine that with a trend for people to expect extremely specific advice (that is for their profit/advantage, e.g. find me a lower price on this $10 widget) for free, having come through the internet and its seemingly endless free sources...

Youtube has sucked up content producers because it was paying the best, simple as that. Encapsulating information inside a video is a soft form of paywall. If they provided a text version it would reduce the views and cut their income.

--- Quote from: KL27x on May 26, 2020, 07:58:19 pm ---You can't do that on YT, though, because YT doesn't work that way. Because the contents of videos are not indexable/searchable very easily. But somehow our modern search engines will offer 100's of video hits, which are highly based on a title and key words and popularity/trends (and.. marketing bots are part of that), because... that's what is practical for a video. YT is a business. You could say this business is detrimental to the sharing of knowledge and beneficial to large marketers and media companies. And that it could have a larger effect on the entire internet.
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Think for a moment, youtube has automated captioning and the comments for a video. They have a huge text resource behind each video that is poorly presented to the public but well structured in their database. Google search has no interest in you always finding the "most correct" or "best" information, rather the links that they profit most from. Well structured search queries return their "are you a bot?" captchas, because the vast majority of users are not there for reliable information. Facebook amplify this x1,000,000 and take it to the logical extreme.
KL27x:
^Exactly. I agree. YT computers or workers can search and scan the automated captions or w/e you call it. They have access to the text data. We don't get that. We get w/e YT wants us to find.

That amount of power is absolutely frightening. It would be bad enough if they were using this power solely to maximize profits. But we know that's not how people work. Frightening.
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