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Are we becoming old, cranky scrooges in these forums.
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tkamiya:
Computer services were helping us first.  Then became center of our attention.  Then some took it to obsessive level.  Then they became their life itself.  Some people are afraid of AI taking over us.  It's already happening and without AI.

How scary is that?

You tube and forums and everything else on Internet has its place.  But developing unhealthy obsession is, well, unhealthy.  Same thing can be said about any social media.  Some people has been attacked in social media.  Why can't they just leave that site?  I understand for celebrities, it's not that simple, but for most of us?  It isn't essential.
Rick Law:

--- Quote from: engrguy42 on May 26, 2020, 09:20:55 pm ---Rick Law, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but since the beginning of time companies selling products add the cost of advertising to the price of the product. Youtube is no different. They're an advertising agency.

The issue was raised that creators get little or no money for all their work, but users don't pay them for it. Instead they act entitled to get what they want. Whether we pay for advertising when we buy products seems a bit irrelevant doesn't it? We also pay for shipping, and manufacturing, and employee benefits, and so on when we buy products.

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The point I was making is in the very first line of my reply:

"No, YouTube is NOT free TO US.  The cost is hidden from us, that doesn't mean it is free."
Bud:
Frankly, if the entire Youtube goes to Hell, i would not give shit. It is not that essential as some people here tell me.
HobGoblyn:

--- Quote from: engrguy42 on May 26, 2020, 04:40:00 pm ---Youtube is free. Complaining about it is bordering on insane. Youtube creators spend a ton of time producing stuff, and the vast majority of tech youtubers get little or nothing in return. Except for complaints and 357 variations of "oh, you should have done it THIS way". And people expecting you to be their private tutor for free. And give them all the code you write.

Absolutely insane. A lot of selfish, entitled people out there.

Instead, you should be thanking every single freakin' one of them for what they do, and hitting the like button so often it breaks your freakin' mouse. And subscribe to EVERYONE. Because that's the only way they get a few measly pennies in return for their many hours of work.

And if you really think their stuff sucks and you can do it better, then do it. Show the world how freakin' brilliant you are and how much better you are. Start your own channel, and learn what it's really like.

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I'm half with you on this.

I recently got a 3D printer, watching a recommended YouTube vid on how to assemble it, helped a lot, and I really can't understand how people down vote such helpful vids  (then again I've read 1 star amazon reviews where their comments are things like "bought wrong product/size).  There are a lot of very useful YouTube vids out there

But there are some youtube vids where the title bares little resemblance to the content, or you've got loud thumping music and/or some guy acting like he's a world famous comedian etc when in fact he's not funny, he's nauseating .  Only yesterday I was searching for info about something in particular, found what looked like the perfect vid, he waffled on for about 20 mins telling me what could have been written in about 10 lines of text, and his solution wasn't what his title suggested.  His video rightly imo had down votes and a ton of comments complaining (although I never downvote anything), Had I not been watching on my TV, I could have saved 20 mins of my time by reading the comments and knowing he was talking rubbish.

While I understand when you say there's people that want you to be their personal tutor or give the code you have written, there's also many YouTubers out there whose videos are copies of other YouTubers (and in some cases the people copying others have many more followers).  But there are  youtubers  who make their vids simply to help others, youtubers that have a passion for whatever, youtubers not trying to make big names for themselves or not trying to make money from the platform. Often these people are more than happy to help others in the comment sections (but I do know what you mean about people putting zero effort into things and demanding you do it for them)

I can't draw to save my life, if I did a drawing, most 3 year olds can do better,  recently we were watching portrait artist of the year (UK) and both I and my wife sometimes wondered what the judges were thinking, or how particular artists made it that far. All of them can paint 100000000 times better than we ever could, that doesn't mean I cant look at another adults painting and think it's absolutely crap  (12 artists drawing people, one of them looking nothing liker the person). Same as a pottery program along similar lines. When one of the contestants result looks nothing like what they were asked to make, just because they are good at their craft while I wouldn't have a clue where to even begin,  doesn't' mean I cant see they are obviously going to be the ones getting chucked out that round  as what they produced was crap.

In other words, just because I can't do something  better (or even at all)  doesn't mean I  can't have a valid opinion of what I think something looks like/works like etc etc etc.

I don't make YouTube vids, last thing I would ever want is my face on TV or YouTube, doesn't interest me in the slightest.    I see a ton of very very useful and helpful youtube vids, I also see a ton of vids where the watcher would need to be on acid to even get through it. If someone wants to enter the world of youtube, doesn't matter how hard it is, doesn't matter how much time they take, if they make a 20 min vid that's almost impossible to watch due to the thumping 'not my taste' music in the background, or they don't know what they are talking about, or they take 30 mins to say what can be said in 2 mins, then a viewer has every right to tell them what they think regardless of whether the viewer could do any better themselves.  Often comments save me the bother of watching certain ones as the comments show clearly the vid isn't going to answer the question it claims to answer.

My (adult) son was having problems with his PC overheating and I suggested he apply new thermal paste as a starting point.  I sent him a link to a YouTube vid that showed how to remove his exact fan etc, really really well.   But I also said in big letters "do not apply the paste as he has done as he's done it completely wrong"  (he spread it on about 4mm thick like most of us would put jam/jelly on bread), and of course the comments were a mixed bunch, many saying it's the best instructions they've seen for removing their fans, while others saying you should never put thermal paste on like he has done etc.

If somethings is totally useless, whether it's being given away totally free or whether it costs £10,000, people have the right to let others know they are wasting their time using/viewing it.   
engrguy42:

--- Quote from: Bud on May 27, 2020, 04:56:04 am ---Frankly, if the entire Youtube goes to Hell, i would not give shit. It is not that essential as some people here tell me.

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I wouldn't be surprised if much of the small time tech youtube world goes to hell in the not-so-distant-future. It's clear that the vast majority of humanity just wants free entertainment. Only a microscopically tiny minority is actually interested in tech and learning. And even then they want it packaged in an entertaining way. Cuz learning gives people a headache  :D They want to become experts in a quick 4 minute video.

And I think as people get more and more sensitive to being offended by even the slightest negativity, the already tight restrictions on youtube creators will get worse. And at some point (and I think we're almost there) anyone who's not getting some very serious income from youtube is going to shut down. Which will mean that youtube will become only for music videos (which is already the #1 draw to youtube across the board) and women's makeup and cats playing piano. The folks who do tech for a hobby will figure it's no longer worth it. Everyone wants flashy, perfectly edited videos by a team of professionals, and anyone who can't give that will fade away. It happens all the time to small tech youtubers.

BTW, for those who haven't seen the requirements that creators have, you might take a look. Prior to posting a video you need to answer a bunch of questions where you verify that a whole list of possibly offensive things are not in your video. And since what people find "offensive" is different for each of the billions of people on this planet, it's somewhat ridiculous. And now you're even liable for huge fines if your guess on what constitutes offensive is wrong. But it will only get worse.

Personally, I'm a visual learner. And I love videos as a learning tool. And I always learn something in just about every video I watch. Or I get an idea to investigate something I hadn't thought of before. I love it. But I'm finding it's tougher and tougher to find videos where the creator hasn't buckled to the majority who just want 4 minutes of entertainment.

As a matter of fact, I fully expect to see a video at some point where the creator is talking some tech stuff, and in the background he places his cat playing piano.  :D     
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