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Are we becoming old, cranky scrooges in these forums.

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HobGoblyn:

--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on May 27, 2020, 12:51:17 pm ---???  Some, (a lot!), of the posts here, are the epitome of exactly what the O.P. asked about!!
YES, people can 'Google' a lot of things, but it's like someone treating 'Google' as a Doctor for medical probs!
A 'FORUM' is supposed to be more one-on-one, and getting more into individual specifics though.
YES, there are people in any Forum who ask seemingly silly questions, and DEMAND answers.
However, there is always an equal amount of 'technical' people who have elevated themselves to
their 'Ivory-Towers', and almost seem to gain enjoyment out of ridiculing & belittling some people?  :P
A few pages back, take 'eti' for example! NOTHING positive said... delusions of Grandeur... relishing
the put down of others thoughts, beliefs, the 'system', and anything else he can ever think of!!!   >:D
It's no wonder 'some' people a bit more 'reserved', slink back into their shell !! and ask no more!
It's usually OBVIOUS when someone is new, or a beginner... and it quickly becomes obvious too who
are the typical members who understand that, treat them with respect, and guide them.  :-+

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I think there has to be some sort of balance.

I was a systems manager in a UNIX environment in the mid 90s, and ended up with a lot of both experience and  'instinct' on where to go to find an answer to a problem.

Roll on 10 years and I was heavily into Linux and active in a few Linux forums. 

Often people would ask what to me was a very very simple thing,  BUT  it's only simple for me due to my years of experience. Others would tell them things like "there are 'man' pages you know"   or "use the search button" .

The thing with those sorts of thing is that it's fine to use the 'man' pages if you know what command you want to use (and understand the 'man' pages description), it's fine to search if you know the exact term you are searching for, but most newcomers don't know that.

Having post after post pointing out the search button (or linking to google) is simply unwelcoming and drives people away.

I've asked some stupidly simple questions in my short time with this forum, I don't regret any of them.

Then there's the other sort, which do annoy me.  One of the facebook groups I currently belong to (though likely not for long) is "Electrical and Electronics technology Learning Group"

Some of the posts there simply amaze me. here are a few examples of recent questions






Or posts in say an Arduino group asking if someone can write the entire code to make a robot etc etc etc

Posts where the person has zero intention of learning, or a 1 sec google of PCB will give you the answer, far far quicker than making a huge graphic.

Bud:

--- Quote from: Syntax Error on May 27, 2020, 10:12:18 am ---
--- Quote from: Bud on May 27, 2020, 04:56:04 am ---Frankly, if the entire Youtube goes to Hell, i would not give shit. It is not that essential as some people here tell me.

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Seriously?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_L._Jones_(video_blogger)

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So what? I am old enough to remember life without Youtube. There was nothing wrong with it.

SparkyFX:

--- Quote from: Someone on May 26, 2020, 10:52:00 pm ---"cranky scrooges" vs low post count demanders. There is an endless supply of eager/optimistic young people who will answer questions feeling like they are contributing. This group strongly overlaps with those with little to no real experience or ability (Dunning–Kruger etc). If left to run you end up with a forum full of questions and rubbish answers, which encourages more of the same behaviour.
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Those are predicates that can be attributed by anyone to everyone. All it needs is the feeling of superiority. So ... we close the forum because "you should read that up by yourself" is the proper answer to all questions? Of course not, because referring literature, leading to the proper search terms, sources and such is also an important part of conversation. To understand that all you need to remember is that it took you time, effort of teachers/instructors, the need to solve problems to learn things too. Btw.: self-proclaimed experts that bemoan lack of quality in the question usually do not drive such efforts, their effort consists of ridicule, which effectively makes them the toxic trolls, not the newbies.

A translated german proverb is "no master ever fell from the skies" (came from nowhere into existence), which for some reason seems to be the expectation here.

I mean such movements are nothing new, i only wait until someone proposes the super-secret insider club/owner of x-y-z club as the solution to all these problems.

GlennSprigg:

--- Quote from: SparkyFX on May 27, 2020, 01:23:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Someone on May 26, 2020, 10:52:00 pm ---"cranky scrooges" vs low post count demanders. There is an endless supply of eager/optimistic young people who will answer questions feeling like they are contributing. This group strongly overlaps with those with little to no real experience or ability (Dunning–Kruger etc). If left to run you end up with a forum full of questions and rubbish answers, which encourages more of the same behaviour.
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Those are predicates that can be attributed by anyone to everyone. All it needs is the feeling of superiority. So ... we close the forum because "you should read that up by yourself" is the proper answer to all questions? Of course not, because referring literature, leading to the proper search terms, sources and such is also an important part of conversation. To understand that all you need to remember is that it took you time, effort of teachers/instructors, the need to solve problems to learn things too. Btw.: self-proclaimed experts that bemoan lack of quality in the question usually do not drive such efforts, their effort consists of ridicule, which effectively makes them the toxic trolls, not the newbies.

A translated german proverb is "no master ever fell from the skies" (came from nowhere into existence), which for some reason seems to be the expectation here.

I mean such movements are nothing new, i only wait until someone proposes the super-secret insider club/owner of x-y-z club as the solution to all these problems.

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I know what you are saying... but as a Musician & a lover of certain 'Verse'... you brought back memories
with your "no master ever fell from the skies" line!!  :)...

It's to do with (our) feelings about sharing/passing-on knowledge musically, but in all other aspects too!...
"May those who soar in the sky,
 Walk, back down the mountain,
 & teach those with leadened feet to Fly! "
What a beautiful phrase!!   :-+

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: engrguy42 on May 27, 2020, 11:00:29 am ---The whole issue of people having a "right" to comment on stuff like youtube videos I find kinda funny.

Imagine you're walking down the street and someone comes up to you and says "Couldn't you find something nicer to wear? That looks like crap". Or you spend weeks/months building a cool RC airplane from scratch and bring it to a club to fly it with a bunch of other RC'ers, and someone tells you "Are you freakin' kidding?? That's not realistic at all. That's just crap".

Nobody asked for your input. And I hate to break it to you, but nobody cares about your opinion, or my opinion, or anyone else's opinion. If someone wants to design their videos so that they appeal to certain viewers, and they ASK for your opinion, then fine.

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Well. I do not entirely disagree with you there. Sure, some people will tell you (and they did) that it's different, because by publishing videos on Youtube, you're becoming like a public personality or something, and then you can't complain about getting comments. In other words, by publishing, you are expected to get comments, whether you want them or not.

I think there's a way around that though. You can disable comments for any of your Youtube videos, can't you? If you don't want comments, just disable comments. Some viewers may feel "offended" by that, but if you're not looking to get a lot of viewers, who cares. OTOH, if you want a lot of viewers (possibly to make money), then you'll have to accept comments.

If you only want to share stuff but not get any comment, you can do so by hosting your content on your own website or something. Text or videos. And don't include any comment functionality, or any way people can otherwise contact you.

But do most people feel like they are entitled to comment on anything just because they can? Yes. Very true. Does that add tremendous value? Not necessarily. I do think this minimal "interactivity" is what keeps people interested though. Remove that, and I guess many would stop watching/reading. People love to be able to express themselves, at least as much as consuming content.

Point is - this is part of what makes Youtube (and otherwise social networks) attractive IMHO, so you pretty much have to deal with it - or go see elsewhere.

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