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| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on May 26, 2020, 03:49:11 pm --- --- Quote from: floobydust on May 25, 2020, 11:15:01 pm ---TV and youtube are garbage for teaching you anything- it's like watching a video with someone explaining how to do a math exam. You don't actually experience the pain and learn the math, instead it's someone showing you the answers. --- End quote --- I tried saying exactly that in another thread recently – that looking for tutorials at Youtube is not sensible – and all I achieved was getting Dave mad, and calling me a troll who has a psychological need to get the final word. :palm: --- End quote --- :-// |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on May 26, 2020, 05:07:08 pm --- --- Quote from: engrguy42 on May 26, 2020, 04:40:00 pm ---And if you really think their stuff sucks and you can do it better, then do it. Show the world how freakin' brilliant you are and how much better you are. Start your own channel, and learn what it's really like. --- End quote --- Hey, if that was intended for me, my point was that in my experience (learning, teaching, and tutoring), written text works much better as an information source (especially if interspersed with demo/example/experiment/worklog videos) than any tutorial videos I've ever seen. I am NOT saying that the videos suck; I'm only saying it is a poor medium for tutorials: like boiling water in a plastic bag. I am also saying that that there already are cranky scrooges doing good demo/example/experiment/worklog videos on Youtube, with AvE and KeithAppleton as examples. I'd include BigClive and Dave too, but I haven't seen either of them cranky. --- End quote --- I have no idea who Keith Appleton is, but AvE is hardly an example of good concise information. Sure he really knows his stuff, and there is a ton of great stuff in the videos, but his videos are a classic example of infotainment, and very verbose one at that, the very thing you seen to be complaining about. If you think people mostly watch AvE for the information, you are kidding yourself, they watch for the entertainment, as people watch most Youtubers for. This is the reason why people watch a certain content creator, they continue to watch it primarily for the person, not primarily for the information. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Someone on May 26, 2020, 10:52:00 pm ---Youtube has sucked up content producers because it was paying the best, simple as that. --- End quote --- Youtube existed for 6-7 years before anyone really made a cent from it. No shortage of creators then, in fact the entire platform was build by these creators earning nothing. Creators like me started because we wanted to share information and make a name for themselves doing so. For me personally, it was an extension of doing the same thing in print form with my magazine project articles and then my web site. |
| Elasia:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 28, 2020, 05:19:59 am --- --- Quote from: Nominal Animal on May 26, 2020, 05:07:08 pm --- --- Quote from: engrguy42 on May 26, 2020, 04:40:00 pm ---And if you really think their stuff sucks and you can do it better, then do it. Show the world how freakin' brilliant you are and how much better you are. Start your own channel, and learn what it's really like. --- End quote --- Hey, if that was intended for me, my point was that in my experience (learning, teaching, and tutoring), written text works much better as an information source (especially if interspersed with demo/example/experiment/worklog videos) than any tutorial videos I've ever seen. I am NOT saying that the videos suck; I'm only saying it is a poor medium for tutorials: like boiling water in a plastic bag. I am also saying that that there already are cranky scrooges doing good demo/example/experiment/worklog videos on Youtube, with AvE and KeithAppleton as examples. I'd include BigClive and Dave too, but I haven't seen either of them cranky. --- End quote --- I have no idea who Keith Appleton is, but AvE is hardly an example of good concise information. Sure he really knows his stuff, and there is a ton of great stuff in the videos, but his videos are a classic example of infotainment, and very verbose one at that, the very thing you seen to be complaining about. If you think people mostly watch AvE for the information, you are kidding yourself, they watch for the entertainment, as people watch most Youtubers for. This is the reason why people watch a certain content creator, they continue to watch it primarily for the person, not primarily for the information. --- End quote --- Eh.. not everyone but im weird and go for channels like TSP / Altium content with multi hour long discussions and breakdowns in the more conference style format :P The other half is made up of channels with indonesian men digging in the dirt and making mini houses and if you havent seen them.. well you should :P Just wish it was easier to hit the solid channels that have more teaching content to them.. if you dont know what to look for half the time you would never find them but they do exist and well worth watching a few times.. i actually like how Altium posted a bunch of their Altium Live sessions.. makes it super easy to rewatch / take notes / etc I doubt Microchip does Masters this year with the choas going on in the states.. I hope they do something similar to what Altium already started doing for their conference |
| floobydust:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 28, 2020, 05:07:04 am --- --- Quote from: floobydust on May 25, 2020, 11:15:01 pm ---TV and youtube are garbage for teaching you anything --- End quote --- So the entire set of MIT lectures available on Youtube, not to mention the countless other tutorial videos on Youtube don't teach you anything? The exact same lectures that get you an engineering degree from MIT are useless? Really? --- End quote --- I can watch Mario Andretti videos on race car driving and will that make me "learn" to be a great driver? I can watch videos on climbing Mt. Everest and will that make me "learn" to be a great climber? Watching MIT/Youtube/TED talks and lectures etc., soaking up content - it's not the learning process. Giving someone answers, doing all the thinking and work for them- does not teach. This is just my opinion. The homework, the thinking, the lab assignments, are where and when the learning takes place. I ripped apart a computing science instructor in class, for pissing around with pointers in C for two weeks. Such a waste of time. I demanded a refund for the course tuition fee. His response to me? "The purpose of university is not to teach you anything, the purpose of university to show you how to learn" :palm: |
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