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| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: floobydust on May 28, 2020, 06:15:31 am --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on May 28, 2020, 05:07:04 am --- --- Quote from: floobydust on May 25, 2020, 11:15:01 pm ---TV and youtube are garbage for teaching you anything --- End quote --- So the entire set of MIT lectures available on Youtube, not to mention the countless other tutorial videos on Youtube don't teach you anything? The exact same lectures that get you an engineering degree from MIT are useless? Really? --- End quote --- I can watch Mario Andretti videos on race car driving and will that make me "learn" to be a great driver? I can watch videos on climbing Mt. Everest and will that make me "learn" to be a great climber? Watching MIT/Youtube/TED talks and lectures etc., soaking up content - it's not the learning process. Giving someone answers, doing all the thinking and work for them- does not teach. This is just my opinion. The homework, the thinking, the lab assignments, are where and when the learning takes place. --- End quote --- Sure, but you mad the specific claim that "TV and youtube are garbage for teaching you anything". The problem with making general statements like that is that you only have the find one example to prove you wrong. Let me give you a better example. Let's say you want to learn how to tie a knot, or fold a paper airplane, or some other such manual dexterity thing like say doing a stakeboard trick. What is better, a textbook instruction with 2D diagrams, or someone physically spending a minute actually showing you "live"? You can guarantee there are countless example that will demonstrably prove you wrong. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: floobydust on May 28, 2020, 06:15:31 am ---I can watch Mario Andretti videos on race car driving and will that make me "learn" to be a great driver? I can watch videos on climbing Mt. Everest and will that make me "learn" to be a great climber? Watching MIT/Youtube/TED talks and lectures etc., soaking up content - it's not the learning process. Giving someone answers, doing all the thinking and work for them- does not teach. This is just my opinion. The homework, the thinking, the lab assignments, are where and when the learning takes place. I ripped apart a computing science instructor in class, for pissing around with pointers in C for two weeks. Such a waste of time. I demanded a refund for the course tuition fee. His response to me? "The purpose of university is not to teach you anything, the purpose of university to show you how to learn" :palm: --- End quote --- He's not wrong. Much of the specifics you learn in college will be obsolete by the time you're 10 years into your career, you may well find yourself in a job that your degree doesn't even apply to, but having been through the process you'll be equipped with the ability to learn what you need as you go along. Watching a video of race car driving or mountain climbing can teach you the basics, it gives you the information you need, then the rest of the process is using that information to practice actually doing it. It sounds like you're a bit impatient and want to just skip the information and cut to the chase, maybe that works for you but in most cases it leads to glaring gaps in one's knowledge. So yeah, you're not going to become a champion race driver by watching a bunch of videos, but you're not likely to do so by just jumping into a race car and hitting the track either. This is why nearly any training consists of study followed by hands on activities. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 28, 2020, 06:49:50 am ---Sure, but you mad the specific claim that "TV and youtube are garbage for teaching you anything". The problem with making general statements like that is that you only have the find one example to prove you wrong. Let me give you a better example. Let's say you want to learn how to tie a knot, or fold a paper airplane, or some other such manual dexterity thing like say doing a stakeboard trick. What is better, a textbook instruction with 2D diagrams, or someone physically spending a minute actually showing you "live"? You can guarantee there are countless example that will demonstrably prove you wrong. --- End quote --- I can say with certainty that youtube has been a lifesaver for my mom. Normally I'm her IT guy, handyman, car mechanic, etc, she's intelligent but completely helpless with technology. I live close by so any time something isn't working she calls me and usually I drop by and take care of it. Now due to the Covid quarantine I have limited my visits to emergencies like when her refrigerator crapped out where I couldn't possibly have talked her through diagnosing the failed starter on the compressor however I've been really impressed at the other things she has managed on her own. By watching youtube videos she has been able to figure out how to fix all sorts of little stuff, set up video conferencing to continue tutoring sessions with her students, set up an ipad someone gave her and get it connected to the WiFi, get the printer going when it stopped responding, install and configure things on her Ubuntu laptop, all sorts of stuff that normally would have meant a house call she has figured out on her own after watching youtube videos. I've also found youtube invaluable on numerous occasions myself, particularly when I've been working on my car and am not sure how to get something apart, I really hate it when I find the hidden clip or screw by breaking it off when there's a simple procedure that takes just a few minutes to see in a video. It has also been handy for seeing carpentry techniques and other home repair tips and tricks, I'm capable of figuring out most of that stuff on my own but it sure is nice to have access to countless videos demonstrating how the pros do it. For a lot of things I'd rather read a set of instructions but there are many situations where a 5 minute video showing someone actually doing something can make something clearer than thousands of words. Then there's the eevblog videos that got me to this forum in the first place, I learned all sorts of stuff from those. Occasionally it was something new, often it was something I was familiar with but not in depth and I walked away with a much deeper and more clear understanding of the subject. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: james_s on May 28, 2020, 07:04:59 am --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on May 28, 2020, 06:49:50 am ---Sure, but you mad the specific claim that "TV and youtube are garbage for teaching you anything". The problem with making general statements like that is that you only have the find one example to prove you wrong. Let me give you a better example. Let's say you want to learn how to tie a knot, or fold a paper airplane, or some other such manual dexterity thing like say doing a stakeboard trick. What is better, a textbook instruction with 2D diagrams, or someone physically spending a minute actually showing you "live"? You can guarantee there are countless example that will demonstrably prove you wrong. --- End quote --- I can say with certainty that youtube has been a lifesaver for my mom. --- End quote --- Another example from one of my videos, my most popular one, the opamps basics video, 50min long. The number of people who have contacted me thanking me for the video and how they now understand opamps better than any teacher or textbook ever taught them has been incalculable. Sure, it's not every for everyone, but for countless people (possibly 1M+ people) it's been what they wanted and they learned something. Everyone learns differently, and whether it was my approach and video style, or a combination of things, what I'm pretty certain of is that it would have been more effective than the exact same material presented in a boring PDF. Don't underestimate the role of the enthusiasm of the host etc when presenting information. This is as true on Youtube as it was in the days of live public lectures. For many people the key to learning is to be engaged by someone enthusiastic about it and essentially presenting it in an entertaining style. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 28, 2020, 05:24:26 am --- --- Quote from: Someone on May 26, 2020, 10:52:00 pm ---Youtube has sucked up content producers because it was paying the best, simple as that. --- End quote --- Youtube existed for 6-7 years before anyone really made a cent from it. No shortage of creators then, in fact the entire platform was build by these creators earning nothing. Creators like me started because we wanted to share information and make a name for themselves doing so. For me personally, it was an extension of doing the same thing in print form with my magazine project articles and then my web site. --- End quote --- I've been around long enough to know that, and was there in the days of easy monetisation. Youtube aggressively built a monopoly by attracting the best content away from competing platforms with a simply better deal. Now with little competition the rates for content are too low to support building an income around it. Why that changed is multifaceted and not any single force. You've shared quite some detail on the economics for yourself, and why other platforms don't work. |
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