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Title: ASROC Weapons System 1963
Post by: Homer J Simpson on December 23, 2015, 02:39:49 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr2BIpXAkLI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr2BIpXAkLI)
Title: Re: ASROC Weapons System 1963
Post by: tggzzz on December 23, 2015, 02:45:33 pm
Also featured in the 1965 film "The Bedford Incident" - which has a pleasingly plausible ending.
Title: Re: ASROC Weapons System 1963
Post by: German_EE on December 23, 2015, 10:22:29 pm
Movies about nuclear war (and I bet this list is not complete)

Wargames
The Bedford Incident
Failsafe (two different versions)
The Sum of All Fears
The Fourth Protocol
Dr Strangelove
Threads
By Dawns Early Light
The Day After
A Boy and His Dog
Unthinkable
On the Beach
WWIII
Planet of the Apes
The War Game
Black Rain
Crimson Tide
Right At Your Door
Testament
Miracle Mile
Terminator Trilogy
When The Wind Blows
Trinity and Beyond
Hadashi no Gen

Having visited the site in Hiroshima I'd prefer to never see a nuclear weapon used again but I know that opinions differ.
Title: Re: ASROC Weapons System 1963
Post by: EEVblog on December 23, 2015, 10:39:34 pm
Movies about nuclear war (and I bet this list is not complete)
Wargames
The Bedford Incident
Failsafe (two different versions)
The Sum of All Fears
The Fourth Protocol
Dr Strangelove
Threads
By Dawns Early Light
The Day After
A Boy and His Dog
Unthinkable
On the Beach
WWIII
Planet of the Apes
The War Game
Black Rain
Crimson Tide
Right At Your Door
Testament
Miracle Mile
Terminator Trilogy
When The Wind Blows
Trinity and Beyond
Hadashi no Gen

It's not complete.
Deterrence for example is a good movie from a tension and nuclear strategy point of view, and calling nuclear bluffs.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/deterrence/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/deterrence/)

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Having visited the site in Hiroshima I'd prefer to never see a nuclear weapon used again but I know that opinions differ.

I think one of the most amazing facts of the last 60 years is that no nuclear weapon has gone off by accident, miscalculation, or madness.
Kennedy said it best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R87YhYbnkA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R87YhYbnkA)

Nothing has really changed since his speech. Except that our modern communications makes miscalculation less likely.
Title: Re: ASROC Weapons System 1963
Post by: T3sl4co1l on December 24, 2015, 02:01:40 am
Gone off fully, anyway.  Numerous accidents have resulted in lost (complete) weapons, broken weapons, and dud explosions (the high explosive is ignited, but not by the carefully timed trigger that causes implosion/assembly) resulting in release of U235/Pu239 over a wide area.

I also find it sad that, of the known peacetime reactor designs, few to none of the "unconditionally safe" or anti-proliferation types (which have been studied for years, including since the 60s for some like the liquid reactor) have been made, instead preferring only the ones with military interest (whether directly, as USSR's supposed alternative (plutonium) use for their unstable RMBK1000 series -- yes, the one from Chernobyl; or indirectly as a result of early development, such as the Navy's preference for PWR and BWR designs).

Maybe this will change in the coming decades (it would be too hopeful to say 'years'), but it still seems unlikely.

Tim
Title: Re: ASROC Weapons System 1963
Post by: mathias on December 24, 2015, 01:08:04 pm
Gone off fully, anyway.  Numerous accidents have resulted in lost (complete) weapons, broken weapons, and dud explosions (the high explosive is ignited, but not by the carefully timed trigger that causes implosion/assembly) resulting in release of U235/Pu239 over a wide area.

I also find it sad that, of the known peacetime reactor designs, few to none of the "unconditionally safe" or anti-proliferation types (which have been studied for years, including since the 60s for some like the liquid reactor) have been made, instead preferring only the ones with military interest (whether directly, as USSR's supposed alternative (plutonium) use for their unstable RMBK1000 series -- yes, the one from Chernobyl; or indirectly as a result of early development, such as the Navy's preference for PWR and BWR designs).

Maybe this will change in the coming decades (it would be too hopeful to say 'years'), but it still seems unlikely.

Tim

Good news everybody! ORNL is producing new plutonium to be shot into space by NASA (or desintegrate trying). https://www.ornl.gov/news/ornl-achieves-milestone-plutonium-238-sample (https://www.ornl.gov/news/ornl-achieves-milestone-plutonium-238-sample)
Title: Re: ASROC Weapons System 1963
Post by: CatalinaWOW on December 25, 2015, 04:25:39 am
German_EE, I think all rational people don't want to see nuclear weapons used.  Opinions defer on whether that is best achieved by keeping them, or by having those that admit to having them destroy theirs.  That also doesn't preclude phrases such as "We ought to just nuke the _)(_)(*&^&&%^(*&%" in times of supreme frustration.  Perhaps a dangerous sentiment, but not one producing action in the previously mentioned rational people.
Title: Re: ASROC Weapons System 1963
Post by: calexanian on December 25, 2015, 06:01:36 pm
+1 for the miracle that nukes have never been used in nearly 70 years.
Title: Re: ASROC Weapons System 1963
Post by: Brumby on December 26, 2015, 06:31:16 am
Nuclear explosions: 1945 - 1998

Starting off slowly with the 3 (basically everyone) knows about, then ticking along a timeline at about 1 month per second.... followed by a summary at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY)
Title: Re: ASROC Weapons System 1963
Post by: G7PSK on December 26, 2015, 09:17:16 am
In the two big wars of the first half of the 20th century around 200 million people were killed. Nuclear weapons have ensured that going to war with each other would have far to high a price to pay for the big powers.
These days any one can have a chemical bomb and deliver it by whatever means.
It would now seem though that having nuclear weapons means the big powers can no longer respond with overwhelming force against the little ones, started with the Icelandic cod wars and Britain and has now progressed to ISIS attacking any where and knowing they can hide in the desert and not be touched and the big powers have to wear the pain like a dog being bitten by fleas.