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tom66:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 06, 2020, 04:12:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: SerieZ on January 06, 2020, 03:49:08 pm ---How much of the Fire is due to Humans Activity and what is the "normal" in heat season?

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I don't think you can blame human activity directly. Getting on fire is what large forrests do. Part of nature. Look at the bright side: what has been burned this year can't burn next year.

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Ignoring the average temperature anomaly due to (in great likelihood) human-caused climate change?

DTJ:
It's a bit sad seeing all the climate change deniers coming out on social media here in Australia.

Post their daft memes of that Greta Thunberg girl and make claims about how "we had a hotter day back in 1972" or intelligent comments such as "lightning has caused the fires not climate change".

The fires have probably been started by a lightening, by accident, by arson and other things. The fact that we have had very poor rains and much warmer than average temps over a few years means all the bush is much drier so when it burns it burns much hotter and harder.

In Perth on the west coast we had a very hot December with all sorts of records broken. Perth had a run of >40°C / 104F days, close by regional areas were getting 44°C / 111F.

After a week or so of this the heat headed east feeding their fires. I think the west coast got off lightly be cause we have less dense forests and less hilly terrain where the fires were.

At the moment the roads between Western Australia (state) and the eastern states are cut off for fires. I think its been like it for 4 or 5 days and another 4 or 5 days is to be expected.
tautech:

--- Quote from: DTJ on January 07, 2020, 08:11:26 am ---At the moment the roads between Western Australia (state) and the eastern states are cut off for fires. I think its been like it for 4 or 5 days and another 4 or 5 days is to be expected.

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And the east-west rail line !
station240:

--- Quote from: SerieZ on January 06, 2020, 03:49:08 pm ---Absolutely horrible Situation... I hope things get under Control soon!

Question to the Aussies:
How much is Government to blame? I have seen a lot of angry people vent against the Prime Minister - is it justified?

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Yes, totally justified. The Federal and NSW state government have contributed a lot to making these fires worse.
Pardon the pun, but you pretty much have to light a fire under both governments before they will act.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/12/30/21039298/40-celsius-australia-fires-2019-heatwave-climate-change

--- Quote ---That’s why fire officials are growing anxious about the prospects of more extreme fires. A group of 23 fire chiefs requested a meeting with Prime Minister Scott Morrison in April (2019) to discuss the threat, a meeting that has yet to take place.
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--- Quote ---But Australia’s national government has been slower to respond to the risks posed by extreme heat, bush fires, and climate change. Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison apologized last month for taking a vacation to Hawaii during the recent heatwave and bushfires. However, he brushed off calls to curb Australia’s reliance on coal.

“I am not going to write off the jobs of thousands of Australians by walking away from traditional industries,” he told Australia’s Channel Seven. In November, he proposed banning climate change protests because they would hurt the country’s mining industry.
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https://independentaustralia.net/article-display/gladys-berejiklian-slashes-fire-service-budgets-while-nsw-burns,13307

--- Quote ---Under the 2019-20 NSW State Budget, Fire and Rescue had its capital expenditure budget cut by $28.5 million or 35 per cent. The Rural Fire Service has its capital expenditure budget cut by $49.9 million or 75 per cent.
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https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/11/11/nsw-bushfires-budget-cut/

--- Quote ---Byron Bay, which is currently being torn apart by fires, was also promised $5.85 million for a new fire station in Kingscliff. The funding has yet to arrive.
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--- Quote from: SerieZ on January 06, 2020, 03:49:08 pm ---How much of the Fire is due to Humans Activity and what is the "normal" in heat season?

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None of this is normal for NSW:
Higher temperatures than ever before.
At 2 to 5 years without any rain in manyareas.
Huge build up of leaves and dead tree branches, as a direct result of the above.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-07/fuel-reduction-burn-debate-rubbish-says-vic-fire-chief/11849522

--- Quote ---"I think there's some good examples of where land that had been backburned quite hard — quite heavy fuel reduction burning only three or four years ago — burnt pretty hot last weekend."
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-03/scientific-modelling-not-coping-with-current-bushfires/11839356

--- Quote ---NSW Rural Fire Service commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons said the fires in New South Wales on New Year's Eve exceeded all predictions.
"We saw extraordinary fire behaviour with fires, five of them, burning at the emergency warning alert level from 8:00am or earlier," he said at a press conference on Thursday.
"Those fires exceeded all the manual predictions and all the computer-based predictions for what was to be the expected fire spread.
"Those fires spread at what we call the absolute worst case scenario, which typically is not what happens when it plays out on the ground."
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Personally I don't think the Prime Minister Scott Morison resigning will solve anything.
The entire government needs to resign, they don't listen to expert advice, they wait till things become a total disaster to act, then they don't do enough to solve it anyway.
They are lazy, they are inept, and they are almost useless.
Brumby:

--- Quote from: station240 on January 07, 2020, 08:41:43 am ---Personally I don't think the Prime Minister Scott Morison resigning will solve anything.
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I'd say the same no matter who was in that office.


--- Quote ---The entire government needs to resign, they don't listen to expert advice, they wait till things become a total disaster to act, then they don't do enough to solve it anyway.
They are lazy, they are inept, and they are almost useless.

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You just described the core perception of any political leadership.  Put in a different government and the only reason things would change is as a reaction to the current situation - and that is going to be the same for the incumbent.

20-20 hindsight is apolitical - and things are going to change regardless.  Either way, there will be criticism of whatever changes are made.
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