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MT:

--- Quote from: DTJ on January 07, 2020, 08:11:26 am ---It's a bit sad seeing all the climate change deniers coming out on social media here in Australia.

Post their daft memes of that Greta Thunberg girl and make claims about how "we had a hotter day back in 1972" or intelligent comments such as "lightning has caused the fires not climate change".

The fires have probably been started by a lightening, by accident, by arson and other things. The fact that we have had very poor rains and much warmer than average temps over a few years means all the bush is much drier so when it burns it burns much hotter and harder.

In Perth on the west coast we had a very hot December with all sorts of records broken. Perth had a run of >40°C / 104F days, close by regional areas were getting 44°C / 111F.

After a week or so of this the heat headed east feeding their fires. I think the west coast got off lightly be cause we have less dense forests and less hilly terrain where the fires were.

At the moment the roads between Western Australia (state) and the eastern states are cut off for fires. I think its been like it for 4 or 5 days and another 4 or 5 days is to be expected.

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Its saad to see you and others so indoctrinated you cant even see the green forest by using rime and reasoning instead
blindly listen to con artists using the tool of falsified science intended for a very specific agenda then only can see the burning trees! So you have to proof that the world will end in 10 years as Greta and AOC and the rest (Soros) of the technocratic liberal globalist sadists says or maybe you revert to All Gore who once said that earth would end in 2016. Please provide proof of the science behind those statements.

Global Warming: Fact or Fiction? Featuring Physicists Willie Soon and Elliott Bloom


GreenPeace founder Patrick Moore about climate hoax part1


GreenPeace founder Patrick Moore about climate hoax part2


Corbettreport many episodes about climate change hoax and the people behind it,
assume "his royal highness" will censor this again! https://www.corbettreport.com/

The most honest scientists who hides behind the Technocracy movement.
Elon Musks grand dad was over lord priest in the Technocracy movement expose.
technocracy.news

Read IC TV exposing GRETA, her background, her parents, her ancestor nobel price winner who also was into Nazzi eugenics. Its a very well made fact based expose.
https://redice.tv/red-ice-tv/top-10-reasons-why-greta-thunberg-is-a-fraud

In 2018 Sweden had 82+ large forest fires going at the same time so many Gov requested help from the EU and tons of Polish, German firemen drove all the way up to the Swedish outback with their fire trucks to help, and Italian fire props came as well a big . :-+ :-+ :-+ to you all! Personally i had one of those fires blazing at a relatives house and their neighbours. We got together managed to put it out with help of ONE retired (1961) local farmers fire truck! GOV nowhere to bee seen!
Large parts of Sweden belongs to the Russian taiga type of forest(birch ash, spruce, pine, oak) so when its bone dry and logging companies have been in they leave a huge carpet of fire fuel loads , in our case it was an ash who roots lost grip in the dry soil and toppled over a power line causing a short setting the whole carpet of branches on fire.

If the logging companies had cleared the ground from this branch carpet, the power line owned cleared the line area
which is required by law most likely there would not had been a fire, unless a lightning, arson or accident welder, smoker, natural quarts crystal , a broken glass bottle, camper sausage fire etc did. 

2018 was extremely dry year despite all those fires not a single one, no MSM, no radio no TV did blame the fires on climate change! Now isnt that a peculiar circumstance knowing its GRETA country run by liberal globalist shmucks?
I do! Where was their "climate change" Soros NGO balls in 2018?

2019 was a moist year and EXTREMELY green with superb harvests in along time! Of course that was CO2 fault.

In either case or 2018 green 2019 bone dry or 2018 and 2019 bone dry with fire the climate change scammers
would still say; its because of man climate change! Its the same old strawman non debatable argument they
hide behind to push their agenda, the financial scam.

Edit: I also forgot to tell that 2019 was a stunning insect year so much it became a problem.

Its fascinating to see EVVBLOG a forum for and by the engineers so utterly uninterested in their
own religion TECHNOCRACY instead outright do all it can not to discuss it, as if it was intentionally?!

GRETA Soros Climate change is all about political and financial power, greed, the psychopathic need to control and dictate over people using various tools like fake science, but most of it is FEAR MONGERING something GRETA even confessed she does.

The last thing i heard about GRETA was she got a honor doctorate from some moronic Belgian University.
For what one might wonder, as Fear Mongering expert? Apparently she was nominated for Nobel peace price
same stuff Obama and Kissinger got two most technocrats ever seen besides Rockefeller and Rotchilds.

As if it was not enough already steps the psychopath Bill Gates in with his patents on aerosoling the entire planet to shade it of from the frekking SUN, the mass murder moron he really are.

Oboy! the stupid technocratic asshole Bill Gates confesses on patent paper its the frekking SUN who causes
the GRETA Soros climate change and not MAN as he claimed the week before he filed the patents. :palm:

Its all about the money.
Mechatrommer:

--- Quote from: MT on January 07, 2020, 06:42:20 pm ---GreenPeace founder Patrick Moore about climate hoax part2


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quite convincing the way he spoke but... i dont find the logic. he said "CO2 is food for life, if we stop using fossil fuel today, plants and trees will die in 2 years" it sounds bollock to me as before automobile and industrial age, plants and trees grow, not die, it is us (and natural disasters) who cut them down. :-//
dietert1:
Maybe i am wrong but apparently those small parts of Australia not hostile to humans are now heavily affected by wildfires. We'll see what will be left after February after five months of wildfires and whether something similar will happen every year from now on. So sad. No idea where they bring those homeless people.
Prospects for 2030 are even longer wildfire seasons. Australia could become the first continent where human civilization breaks down due to climate change.
Regards, Dieter
nctnico:

--- Quote from: Mechatrommer on January 07, 2020, 07:10:58 pm --- i dont find the logic. he said "CO2 is food for life, if we stop using fossil fuel today, plants and trees will die in 2 years" it sounds bollock to me as before automobile and industrial age, plants and trees grow, not die, it is us (and natural disasters) who cut them down. :-//

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Well... before the industrial revolution the CO2 levels where trending downwards to levels which would threaten plant life.

According to this article low CO2 levels in the past nearly got 'us' killed too:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/30/life-on-earth-was-nearly-doomed-by-too-little-co2/
Someone:

--- Quote from: coppice on January 07, 2020, 11:51:03 am ---People make some bizarre adjunct statements when they are driven by ideology, rather than research, evidence, and logical deduction. Things like "These are the worst fires for decades. Its because of human induced climate change.". They say these things with a straight face, and I think many of them have convinced themselves that those two sentences actually form a coherent argument.

The above should stand on its own, but supporting statements may be needed for the ideologues out there. The first statement indicates that fires of similar severity occurred a few decades ago, before the effects of industrial society were nearly as great as they are now. So, however much industrial activity may have changed things, the fires provide no supporting evidence for it. The only clear effect of human activity is the large scale damage to property resulting from the mismanagement of settlements in areas known by the people of Australia, for thousands of years, to be prone to this kind of devastation.

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Well said, sadly other posters in this thread are making similarly poor connections between these events to argue the other direction.


--- Quote from: VK3DRB on January 07, 2020, 11:41:00 am ---This has happened before, but even worse. On Black Saturday, there were 173 lives lost. The difference now and 10 years ago is there are  more people living in these bush fire prone areas. One reason is lack of affordability of housing in cities, so people move to where it is cheaper in rural areas. You can barely buy any house in Melbourne under $1 million now. The federal politicians are 100% to blame for housing being out to reach for many Australians, especially the young. Another reason is the Greens and their tree hugging stupidity that has caused people to lose homes, as we found in the Black Saturday bush fires.

As I said in another post, the government needs to fire rate homes before they are built in rural areas. 2000 homes have been lost. It is time for these pen pushers to get their act together.

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"worse" depends on your choice of metric, a small fast fire in a built up area compared to a vast slow fire in sparsely populated areas can both be "worst" on different measures. Given the season has a long way to go and the vast fires are still unconfined/uncontrolled/uncontained its likely this season will top the damage, area, and economic impact figures as "worst". Hopefully people heed the warnings and move out of the areas so any fast changes won't cause large numbers of deaths again.

On buildings, "Fire rate[ing]" only apply to new residences, caused communities to complain about the costs when rebuilding bunt out towns, and only slightly improve a buildings survivability. The significant improvements are beyond any mandatory standards, and rely on disciplined and prepared owner occupiers. Green belts in cities are a source of fire risk so the overlays for any mandatory fire proofing would be enormous and impractical. Consider the reverse argument, some people would like a disposable house that they plan to leave when faced with any fire threat. Right now they can't do that in some regions as the building regulations require what they see as wasteful investment in a building.
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