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Australian Engineers Registration Act?
beanflying:
--- Quote from: Kerlin on March 17, 2021, 05:56:41 am ---I my self am a non degree Electronics Engineer, thrashed every degree carrying engineer I ever met in my time.
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To me these regulation type moves are not comparative and dumb they only retard the country as others always find very very simple ways around them.
There are other qualifications of much much greater value than a degree.
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The best people to work with in 'some' circumstances when I had a real job were Diploma Qualified Engineers with mining or heavy industry backgrounds that started on the floor or underground. The level of BS dropped and the ability to 'yep, sure, we can make it work' went up. When I was starting Engineering way back when the last of the 'Engineering Cadetships' were going the way of the dodo too. These were an Apprenticeship, sweeping factory floors and starting a Degree at the same time. Sad but these would result in competent humans and better Engineers at the end.
That does not make these rules a bad thing but what it will likely mean in time that tagging yourself 'Engineer' in Oz won't be allowed. Your working in the Engineering field is not likely to change for you just the title (still not happening tomorrow or even next year) unless you go out and try and hang your own shingle out. The reality is most 'Engineers' in Oz tended to finish up managing people not nuts and bolts jobs so does the tag 'Engineer' matter?
Kerlin:
OK I will spell it out - It wont help I have seen some who simply employ a qualified person for the same price as a cleaner.
We are in a global environment now and we better wake up to it.
What happens when you employer insists you sign documents on the basis of some of your licenses and you know the job doesn't comply?
You are personally responsible for the life of the product/job, are you sure we want that.
In the days when I was applying for jobs with employers I put all my licenses on my resume and never mention them again , because I have had that experience before.
Kerlin:
Ah ha had a brilliant flash over dinner.
I been around to long and and have worked it out.
Say, just saying only, there is a mythical place called the land of Oz. You know the wonderland where Alice lives.
And in this land sit two people in their ivory castle.
Things are not too good in this fiefdom and things need fixing fast. There is a big event coming up in November.
Person M: How are we going to fix this, think the normal way will be OK ?
Person X: Yes that one always works.
Person M: Good, I think this time I will do it by making a regulatory change to actually cause a perceived lack of skilled labour and then we will make our
announcement.
Person X: Yer that’s puts a good twist on it. All the engineer types will think they are getting something out of it. Haha wait till they see what we do.
EEVblog:
Apparently from the 1st July it's going to be illegal in Victoria to do any electronics design work.
Jon Oxer talks about it here in a live stream here:
beanflying:
--- Quote ---This will apply to engineers providing professional engineering services in and for Victoria.
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--- Quote ---However, registration for the five prescribed areas of engineering – structural, civil, electrical, mechanical and fire safety – will be phased-in over the following two-and-a-half-year period.
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So there is to my read nothing that will stop Electronics design work. Like is current plenty of Techs and non qualified people do 'design'. It is also not an instant timeline it is phased in.
I fail to see anything here that is an issue other than providing 'professional Engineering services' when not being qualified and registered. There is nothing in the proposed regs stopping anyone from developing X product.
--- Quote ---Most respondents agreed the guidelines on providing professional engineering services did not require any additional information or amendment. However, based on feedback from respondents that disagreed, the guidelines would benefit from expanding the descriptions of the terms ‘engineering’, ‘service’ and ‘engineering service’. Respondent feedback also suggests the guidelines would be improved by the inclusion of an additional section that assists readers to distinguish professional engineering services from other services, including other engineering services which are not intended to be captured by the Act, such as those provided by technologists and technicians.
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