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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: beanflying on March 21, 2021, 06:44:43 am ---This was not driven by Companies but as stated it does have the Support of the peak Engineering body in the country.
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And that enginering body has traditionally little to nothing to do with electronics design in this country. Which is why hardly anyone in electronics engineering is a member of Engineers Australia.
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on March 21, 2021, 06:22:57 am ---I find it uniquely two faced to say an person can't work as an engineer without meeting the requirements... but companies can hire people who are not registered and let them do "engineering" for the company.  I wonder if that extends to contract work where you work for an agency that hires you out?  Technically you work for them so in that case you might not need to be registered if the company is.  Strange.  This only makes sense to a politician.

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What I predict will happen here is essentially nothing. Individuals will still do electronics design work, and companies will continue to hire electronics design engineers with zero shits given to what any legislation says.
Most people and companies in the electronics engineering industry won't even know this legislation exists.
It's only if someone reports them and they somehow make a big stink about it will anyone know it exists and starts caring. It will require case law judgement to figure that out and set any sort of legal precedence.
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: beanflying on March 21, 2021, 06:44:43 am ---Have a read of the links from the thread. Giving 'Professional Engineering advice in certain Engineering Fields' is the issue not what you call yourself. If you don't meet the STATE government regs and have bit of paper of approval then you cant give that advice. To get that bit of paper you need to be a Qualified Engineer, in Oz like most of the world this is a four year Degree. There is no ambiguity here this is one follows the other.

This was not driven by Companies but as stated it does have the Support of the peak Engineering body in the country. That is also not to say Companies did not have input into the consultation process but they from the outside were not the driver of this legislation.

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That's my point.  They use a term "Professional Engineering advice".  What does that mean?  If you do design work, that's not "engineering", it's just design. 

Why do you say it was not driven by companies?  How do you know that?  Are you saying this was all about the "engineering body" who stands to be part of the process? 

I don't know what you mean by "from the outside".  Don't know much about Oz, as you say, but politics in every other country in the world is very much shape and prodded by companies.  There was a TV show in the future (not all that far actually) where the world was governed by corporations.  Sometimes it feels that way now.
beanflying:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 21, 2021, 07:18:58 am ---
--- Quote from: beanflying on March 21, 2021, 06:44:43 am ---This was not driven by Companies but as stated it does have the Support of the peak Engineering body in the country.
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And that enginering body has traditionally little to nothing to do with electronics design in this country. Which is why hardly anyone in electronics engineering is a member of Engineers Australia.

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The last quote I pulled from the Vic Gov report.


--- Quote ---Most respondents agreed the guidelines on providing professional engineering services did not require any additional information or amendment. However, based on feedback from respondents that disagreed, the guidelines would benefit from expanding the descriptions of the terms ‘engineering’, ‘service’ and ‘engineering service’. Respondent feedback also suggests the guidelines would be improved by the inclusion of an additional section that assists readers to distinguish professional engineering services from other services, including other engineering services which are not intended to be captured by the Act, such as those provided by technologists and technicians.
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Would seem to be a fairly clear idea of intent on who/what it is NOT trying to capture. Engineers Aust when I went through Engineering had a strong membership from the 'Electrical' side of things and in particular in the area I was going to Uni in the Latrobe Valley. That same area most of the serious Electronics was handled by Techs rather than Engineers at the time. In my working life (when I had a real job) it was a mixed bag of Degrees, Diploma of Electronics (Techs) and even still a chunk of Diploma Engineers.

The Legislation as I have stated isn't ambiguous Not an Engineer Not able to get the bit of paper to work as ..... What scope those self identifying as Engineers or working in that field can do is I think still open for some debate over the next few years.
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Someone on March 21, 2021, 06:52:27 am ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on March 21, 2021, 06:22:57 am ---Do people in Australia have any more say in government than we do in the states?
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Much less say, we don't see direct voting/ballot measures/referendums. Also many of the politicians at local/state level are "party" stooges who just vote with what their respective parties internal power systems dictate.

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My 94 year old friend talks about being offered a job as the city or county "engineer" (forget which one) by one of his political friends.  My friend is a mechanical engineer who knew nothing about civil engineering and was in no way qualified.  On telling that to the guy the reply was, "That's not important".  They just wanted someone in the seat who would approve the projects they wanted approved.  I watch local politics here and I see the same thing.  They approve thousands of homes to be built on farm land knowing the roads can't handle it saying they'll deal with that as it come, but we need to expand the tax base with the improved property values.  Now they complain they don't have enough money to build more roads and everything is more jammed up than before. 

Politics is pretty much crap everywhere I've ever been.  The sad part is they never seem to get voted out.  People just feel like there's nothing they can do to change it.
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