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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: beanflying on March 21, 2021, 07:32:04 am ---The last quote I pulled from the Vic Gov report.


--- Quote ---Most respondents agreed the guidelines on providing professional engineering services did not require any additional information or amendment. However, based on feedback from respondents that disagreed, the guidelines would benefit from expanding the descriptions of the terms ‘engineering’, ‘service’ and ‘engineering service’. Respondent feedback also suggests the guidelines would be improved by the inclusion of an additional section that assists readers to distinguish professional engineering services from other services, including other engineering services which are not intended to be captured by the Act, such as those provided by technologists and technicians.
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Would seem to be a fairly clear idea of intent on who/what it is NOT trying to capture.

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Again, watch the video. It is reasonably clear that actual design work means you doing "professional engineering work", a technogist is just someone who implements that design.


--- Quote ---The Legislation as I have stated isn't ambiguous Not an Engineer Not able to get the bit of paper to work as ..... What scope those self identifying as Engineers or working in that field can do is I think still open for some debate over the next few years.
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Watch the video.
I'd capture the part if I can find it again.

EDIT: Found it, around the 1:00:00 mark


From that it is very clear that professional engineer is the one that does the design work, and the technologist implements it.

beanflying:

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What if I am unsure if my area of engineering requires registration?
    • The Professional Engineers Registration Act lists the areas of engineering where a professional engineer must be registered to provide professional engineering services in, or for, Victoria. These areas are - civil engineering, structural engineering, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, and fire safety engineering.
    • To provide additional clarity to professional engineers as to whether, and in which area/s of engineering, they are required to be registered, guidance material is being developed with input from engineers and professional engineering services stakeholders.

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Still a work in progress as of the last report and that guidance information I can't find anywhere online.

Even if we take the last snip from the video there is a complete omission of the design process of products, the three mentioned areas don't really cover it.

Part of the issue is they are trying to shoehorn a lump of generally unassociated disciplines of Engineering into one bit of paper. Civil Engineering has close to Zero to do with Chemical (still not included) and or Electrical or Electronic Eng. Personally if I was an Electronic Eng I would be seeking to get involved not bitch about what 'might be'.

beanflying:
And by Engage I don't mean the Engineering Registration part of it that is done short of removal of legislation. I mean Engage on the limits and intent of the legislation and how it more broadly impacts the overall industry/individual.

gnuarm:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 21, 2021, 07:49:20 am ---Watch the video.
I'd capture the part if I can find it again.

EDIT: Found it, around the 1:00:00 mark


From that it is very clear that professional engineer is the one that does the design work, and the technologist implements it.

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I disagree.  "In a production setting... A professional engineer designs the tools, processes and equipment required to turn raw materials into a desired product..." 

I don't believe I do any of that.  I leave the tools, processes and equipment for turning raw materials into the desired product to the contract manufacturer.  I simply specify what the final product is. 

If this is how the legislation defines engineering I think the legislators need to be regulated so they do a proper job.  In fact, it would not be hard to apply these definitions to the process of legislation to require the legislators to be registered now!  They are using raw materials, mostly words, turning them into thee desired product, laws and regulations, just not very effectively.  Legislation engineers. 

Terry Bites:
I think this is going to happen globally sooner or later.  Electrical and electronic engineers and particularly software engineers have had it easy compared to just about any profession you can imagine. You can't be a self-taught surgeon with a successful track record and think that's ok. We put our lives in the hands of engineers every single day and that has to be taken seriously. How you can demonstrate competence beyond your employers satisfaction or shed door without recognised standards of some sort? It sounds like this scheme is well-meaning but a total fuck-up.

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