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| coppice:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on February 20, 2021, 01:56:09 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on February 20, 2021, 01:54:04 pm ---Only a tiny number of "experimental" installs of fibre to the home lines exist here. --- End quote --- https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/map-tech#5/51.836/-5.713/techall/geafttp/ It's just slow rolling out. --- End quote --- I live near York, which has been one of the trial sites for fibre, with BT, TalkTalk and Virgin all touting their fibre rollout, with each laying fibre in different parts of the city. There are lots of vans around here touting how amazingly advanced York's fibre rollout is. I even know a couple of estates where they really did trench in new fibre a couple of years ago. If I go to the TalkTalk web site, who have installed an estate a couple of km from here, it immediately tries to sign me up for FTTH when I enter my post code. However, it is NOT available in my post code. Because of this, I couldn't sign up on line up for the 70Mbps VDSL service which was finally installed here about 2 years ago, after several years of delay. I had to call and talk to someone. This is not unusual. Most of York still has only FTTC, and some of the villages close to the city are still on 1.5Mbps ADSL, waiting for an 80Mbps FTTC cabinet to be installed. There is a lot of smoke and mirrors, and they love to describe the faster copper services as being "fibre optic" just because a fibre comes into the neighbourhood. Few people can actually get FTTH, but people try to make it look like is in mass rollout. In reality new lines are mostly VDSL at up to 80Mbps, or down to 25Mbps if you are unlucky. Some people can get a 300Mbps copper service, but I'm not clear how many. On the positive side, if you have an 80Mbps service that solidly achieves 50Mbps or 60Mbps down and 20Mbps up, most people in 2021 are pretty happy. I guess they have a few years before 50Mbps becomes unreasonably slow. I just found something that claims 4M premises in the UK could now order a FTTH line in Jan 2021, but our home is presumably in that count, so take it with a pinch of salt. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: coppice on February 20, 2021, 02:24:15 pm --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on February 20, 2021, 01:56:09 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on February 20, 2021, 01:54:04 pm ---Only a tiny number of "experimental" installs of fibre to the home lines exist here. --- End quote --- https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/map-tech#5/51.836/-5.713/techall/geafttp/ It's just slow rolling out. --- End quote --- I live near York, which has been one of the trial sites for fibre, with BT, TalkTalk and Virgin all touting their fibre rollout, with each laying fibre in different parts of the city. There are lots of vans around here touting how amazingly advanced York's fibre rollout is. I even know a couple of estates where they really did trench in new fibre a couple of years ago. If I go to the TalkTalk web site, who have installed an estate a couple of km from here, it immediately tries to sign me up for FTTH when I enter my post code. However, it is NOT available in my post code. Because of this, I couldn't sign up on line up for the 70Mbps VDSL service which was finally installed here about 2 years ago, after several years of delay. I had to call and talk to someone. This is not unusual. Most of York still has only FTTC, and some of the villages close to the city are still on 1.5Mbps ADSL, waiting for an 80Mbps FTTC cabinet to be installed. There is a lot of smoke and mirrors, and they love to describe the faster copper services as being "fibre optic" just because a fibre comes into the neighbourhood. Few people can actually get FTTH, but people try to make it look like is in mass rollout. In reality new lines are mostly VDSL at up to 80Mbps, or down to 25Mbps if you are unlucky. Some people can get a 300Mbps copper service, but I'm not clear how many. On the positive side, if you have an 80Mbps service that solidly achieves 50Mbps or 60Mbps down and 20Mbps up, most people in 2021 are pretty happy. I guess they have a few years before 50Mbps becomes unreasonably slow. I just found something that claims 4M premises in the UK could now order a FTTH line in Jan 2021, but our home is presumably in that count, so take it with a pinch of salt. --- End quote --- Well, the map I linked shows you actual fibre availability. You can also see G.9701 (G.fast, to use the stupid name BT pushed), which is the '300Mbps' copper service, which barely exists because they've completely stopped deployment in favour of fibre. It's no longer a trial. About 80% of my town can have fibre installed now. I'm in the 20% which cannot - but they just completed some new ductwork last week at one end of my estate, so it should be arriving soon.. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on February 20, 2021, 03:47:15 pm ---Well, the map I linked shows you actual fibre availability. You can also see G.9701 (G.fast, to use the stupid name BT pushed), which is the '300Mbps' copper service, which barely exists because they've completely stopped deployment in favour of fibre. It's no longer a trial. About 80% of my town can have fibre installed now. I'm in the 20% which cannot - but they just completed some new ductwork last week at one end of my estate, so it should be arriving soon.. --- End quote --- As I said, our home has shown "actual fibre availability" for about two and a half years. When that started all we could get was about 1Mbps ADSL. A few months later they installed a VDSL cabinet, and we upgraded. Nobody is even suggesting a possible date when we might have a faster service. Having only installed VDSL after some estates in York were getting FTTH we are not expecting FTTH for several years. The stated figures for York seem to be at about the 80% level of your town, which is strangely low for a pilot scheme town. The number who can actually sign up for it is much lower. When we had 1Mbps ADSL we were told we could get VDSL, until we actually got to the completion of signing up. Now we cannot sign up for anything on line, as it tries to offer us a fibre service that doesn't exist. I'm not in some unusual black spot. Most of what is stated is just bogus. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: coppice on February 20, 2021, 04:42:57 pm --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on February 20, 2021, 03:47:15 pm ---Well, the map I linked shows you actual fibre availability. You can also see G.9701 (G.fast, to use the stupid name BT pushed), which is the '300Mbps' copper service, which barely exists because they've completely stopped deployment in favour of fibre. It's no longer a trial. About 80% of my town can have fibre installed now. I'm in the 20% which cannot - but they just completed some new ductwork last week at one end of my estate, so it should be arriving soon.. --- End quote --- As I said, our home has shown "actual fibre availability" for about two and a half years. --- End quote --- York is not presently on the fibre build program with Openreach. There are a few spots which are presumably from the trials. The map I linked (note the edit) shows active Openreach FTTP postcodes. I have nothing to say about Talktalk deployment as I wouldn't give them the time of day. --- Quote ---Now we cannot sign up for anything on line, as it tries to offer us a fibre service that doesn't exist. I'm not in some unusual black spot. Most of what is stated is just bogus. --- End quote --- Well, you should get them to fix that. You seem to be projecting your experience to the entire country. I'm not hugely pleased that the country-wide monopoly has been promising they're going to deploy fibre here for over a year while their copper slowly but surely degrades, but they are actually working on it. |
| madires:
--- Quote from: Whales on February 19, 2021, 11:10:56 am ---You're not allowed to use your own DOCSIS modem, they have to be the NBN supplied ones. They're address locked so you can't use a spare from someone else. Pretty much you have to wait until things restock OR for them to change policy (hah! I wouldn't put it past them to have secret modem monopoly contracts). --- End quote --- In broadband cable networks the modems are identified by their MAC, which is also used for pseudo authentication. Unless some regulation requires the cable provider to allow customer owned CPEs many providers use this "feature" for whatever reason. Some ask you for an additional modem fee (for a cheap and shitty box), while others claim it's for unified management and less support calls. If you may use your own box you have to call the provider and give them the modem's MAC, so they can "unlock" it, i.e. they'll enter the MAC into their database to connect it with your account and the CMTS will accept your modem. |
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