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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2023, 01:16:41 am »
We Brits started the Industrial Revolution. Americans built upon it, and at some point down the line the Chinese cloned it all. Look at the most used and prominent inventions used every day - the majority were invented here in the UK. Before any Americans pipe up and claim said inventions, remember, we have been here many many hundreds of years before todays’ America came to be - we discovered you in 1492!

"You" discovered America!

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You have your countries mixed up! Besides ... how can you "discover" a continent where there are already human beings inhabiting it - it's already been discovered! :-DD

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2023, 01:39:54 am »
chinese website BBS.38HOT.NET has some good electronics threads, voltsnuts, test equipment reverse engineering, schematics etc.
google used to webcrawl and return posts in search results - but no more, for a long time now. Not sure what happened there. Between countries, are the webcrawlers reciprocal?
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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2023, 01:40:25 am »
Baidu's AI (at least in image generation) is English-based, and Chinese users are happy to input key words that are easily confused in Chinese-English translation to get very funny pictures.

 
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2023, 01:41:23 am »
We Brits started the Industrial Revolution. Americans built upon it, and at some point down the line the Chinese cloned it all. Look at the most used and prominent inventions used every day - the majority were invented here in the UK. Before any Americans pipe up and claim said inventions, remember, we have been here many many hundreds of years before todays’ America came to be - we discovered you in 1492!

"You" discovered America!

 :-DD

You have your countries mixed up! Besides ... how can you "discover" a continent where there are already human beings inhabiting it - it's already been discovered! :-DD

Well clearly not me personally

Some basic history lessons will show you that Christopher Columbus - a Brit - discovered America. OBVIOUSLY the people who were natives didn’t “discover” it any more than I’d “discover” my own feet - I’ve always had them just as they’d always lived there - NATIVE - that’s the clue.

 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2023, 02:06:40 am »
You guys guys it all wrong, we are the dumb ones.
Our local authorities hounded the local electronics industry with regulatory requirements until it no longer existed.
They just went around the regs by cheating and the govmnt ignored it as they are "our most favored trading nation".
Who is dumb?
Also just merrily skip around all other regs, intellectual property, immigration, investment, money laundering etc etc.
Again - Who is dumb, we is . Its too late they have won.
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2023, 02:55:43 am »
ideas posted may just end up on AliEx   ;D

A 2000w inverter that can actually do 2000w.
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I've been hoping that China would do what Japan did in the 70s and realize that there is value in making high quality products with reliable specs but that doesn't seem to be happening. I'd have thought there would be shame in having a label that says "Made in China" on garbage that doesn't live up to the claims.

Sure, but then again China wouldn't be what it is now if they had taken a different path.
We flock to China for production due to the bottom-low prices, not for the high quality.
And this is all this externalized production that has made China was it has become. They could never have provided the japanese level of quality at those prices. Come on.

Maybe things are going to change now that they have acquired this gigantic power, although they'll never use the japanese model. But it wouldn't have worked before.

It's just a very different model than what we are used to, and come to think of it, is there a shame in having become what is soon going to be the #1 world power?

If we don't want crap from China, we can buy/have things made elsewhere.

Everyone want their cake and eat it too, right?

Now is the chinese way of handling economic growth compatible with our values? Probably not.
Does that prevent us from doing business with them? I don't think so.
We get all pick and moral until we have to shell out some cash. Then suddenly the crap starts to smell all flowery. :popcorn:
 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2023, 03:27:02 am »
If we don't want crap from China, we can buy/have things made elsewhere.
or just buy the good stuff from China? You can get low quality crap from most (all?) nations.
 

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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2023, 03:45:51 am »
chinese website BBS.38HOT.NET has some good electronics threads, voltsnuts, test equipment reverse engineering, schematics etc.
google used to webcrawl and return posts in search results - but no more, for a long time now.
Google search results have been on a steady decline for a while, but you can still add "site:bbs.38hot.net" to the query to get results from there.
 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2023, 03:49:05 am »
We Brits started the Industrial Revolution. Americans built upon it, and at some point down the line the Chinese cloned it all. Look at the most used and prominent inventions used every day - the majority were invented here in the UK. Before any Americans pipe up and claim said inventions, remember, we have been here many many hundreds of years before todays’ America came to be - we discovered you in 1492!

"You" discovered America!

 :-DD

You have your countries mixed up! Besides ... how can you "discover" a continent where there are already human beings inhabiting it - it's already been discovered! :-DD

Well clearly not me personally

Some basic history lessons will show you that Christopher Columbus - a Brit - discovered America. OBVIOUSLY the people who were natives didn’t “discover” it any more than I’d “discover” my own feet - I’ve always had them just as they’d always lived there - NATIVE - that’s the clue.

Indeed, clearly the native Americans just sprouted from the ground like mushrooms. And, of course, Christopher Columbus was as british as the royal family (to paraphase "blackadder"), and was in no way an Italian (or from what would later become part of Italy) working for the Spanish Crown.
 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2023, 03:58:15 am »
From my understanding of them, I don't think they are purposefully mining information. It is likely that their inferior AI systems are doing meaningless work (some patchwork of open source AI). Simply shield them, and there's no need to waste network bandwidth.
 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2023, 04:49:55 pm »
We Brits started the Industrial Revolution. Americans built upon it, and at some point down the line the Chinese cloned it all. Look at the most used and prominent inventions used every day - the majority were invented here in the UK. Before any Americans pipe up and claim said inventions, remember, we have been here many many hundreds of years before todays’ America came to be - we discovered you in 1492!

"You" discovered America!

 :-DD

You have your countries mixed up! Besides ... how can you "discover" a continent where there are already human beings inhabiting it - it's already been discovered! :-DD

Well clearly not me personally

Some basic history lessons will show you that Christopher Columbus - a Brit - discovered America. OBVIOUSLY the people who were natives didn’t “discover” it any more than I’d “discover” my own feet - I’ve always had them just as they’d always lived there - NATIVE - that’s the clue.


It's ignorant, jingoistic bollocks like this that make me embarrassed to be British.

Read a fucking history book, for fucks sake.
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2023, 05:51:17 pm »
What have they actually invented  of technological worth that is uniquely from China? Not much. Noodles? Fireworks?
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2023, 06:44:29 pm »
Some basic history lessons will show you that Christopher Columbus - a Brit - discovered America. OBVIOUSLY the people who were natives didn’t “discover” it any more than I’d “discover” my own feet - I’ve always had them just as they’d always lived there - NATIVE - that’s the clue.

Using CAPS and adding 'OBVIOUS' does not make you correct.  They used to be called Indians, some still are, does that means they are from India?  No, it means the people making up the names have zero credibility. 
 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2023, 08:21:09 pm »
What have they actually invented  of technological worth that is uniquely from China? Not much. Noodles? Fireworks?
Oh dear, who's gonna tell him?
Silk, gunpowder and,well,china?  :popcorn:
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2023, 08:26:11 pm »
What have they actually invented  of technological worth that is uniquely from China? Not much. Noodles? Fireworks?
Oh dear, who's gonna tell him?
Silk, gunpowder and,well,china?  :popcorn:


The tea cup may count as negative technological worth.

The argument presented goes something like this: Since the Chinese invented porcelain teacups early, they saw no need to invent glass to have something to drink from. Europeans in contrast didn’t have porcelain, but drank wine rather than tea. Glass is not very well suited for hot tea, but very well suited for temperate red and white wine. With glass, you can see the beautiful color of the wine. Thus, Europeans invented glass for their wine drinking habits. Glass led to lens grinding, which led to spectacles, telescopes, microscopes, beakers, and bottles used in chemistry. In short, glass powered the scientific revolution in Europe and China got left out.

 

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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2023, 08:46:35 pm »
The accurate observation, recording and prediction of Astronomical events; for over 4,000 years.

The concept of artificial flight with kites and lanterns.

The inception of a 7 day week and thus, the creation of Le Weekend  :popcorn:



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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2023, 09:01:24 pm »
We Brits started the Industrial Revolution. Americans built upon it, and at some point down the line the Chinese cloned it all. Look at the most used and prominent inventions used every day - the majority were invented here in the UK. Before any Americans pipe up and claim said inventions, remember, we have been here many many hundreds of years before todays’ America came to be - we discovered you in 1492!

"You" discovered America!

 :-DD

You have your countries mixed up! Besides ... how can you "discover" a continent where there are already human beings inhabiting it - it's already been discovered! :-DD

Well clearly not me personally

Some basic history lessons will show you that Christopher Columbus - a Brit - discovered America. OBVIOUSLY the people who were natives didn’t “discover” it any more than I’d “discover” my own feet - I’ve always had them just as they’d always lived there - NATIVE - that’s the clue.

Leif Ericsson, a Norseman, found America long before an Italian, Cristoforo Colombo, in the service of Spain under the name Cristóbal Colón found it further south.
Later, under Henry VII, another Italian, Giovanni Caboto, in the service of England under the name John Cabot, found North America once again.
You could look it up...
 
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2023, 09:55:48 pm »
Haha The Boston tea party right here on EEV.
Its an Aussie forum so we are not at all interested EH?.
Sides these days it would be the Boston curry party.
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2023, 12:20:18 am »
Could've just as well been the Boston Molasses Party I suppose.

I mean, it was, just not in relation to any national or international relationships.

As for the nationalist fervor, or jingoism or what have you, in this thread... yeah, right, whatever.  The simple fact is all countries have committed terrible atrocities.  Against their neighbors, against their ("their" in geographic terms) prior inhabitants, against their own (current, naturalized) inhabitants, against remote enemies, anything.  Some worse than others perhaps, but ranking them seems a perverse activity, at best distracting from the fact that it's happened (or happening).  Likewise, all countries can credit themselves with numerous technical, artistic, spiritual, whatever achievements; amazingly enough, countries are complex (pseudo-?)entities.

Now, there are two readings a person will take away from this:
1. "BoTh SiDeS", everyone else does it so what does it matter that we did / are doing it, and what does it matter trying to prevent others from doing it?  Even if I could do anything about it, I still don't care.  Turn on the television, I want to see how my football team is doing.

Or 2., acknowledging that that darkness exists within all of us (or at least a sizable minority of us), and that we can better ourselves, to rise above that violent streak and treat one another with love and respect no matter who we are, or where we are from; and to monitor such events as (or before) they unfold, and hold our leaders accountable to reduce or eliminate such acts; and better research and understand why and how such events come to be: to understand systemic racism; cycles of poverty, crime and violence; to understand colonialism and imperialism, and their use of these behaviors and conditions as tools, to control and mold the populations they dominate; and so on.

And, in turn, if not preventing them from happening, then at least gaining and understanding of the economic forces (read: aristocrats, oligarchs, capitalists, corporations; take your pick) that drive these circumstances.  Which, as far as I know, on a sufficiently grand (international) scale, can always be reduced to this as an explanation; the only limitation is that historical (or even current day) evidence may not always be available to prove it.  Controlling these agents, has always been a challenge; since they seek to control us (in turn, our wealth), it's only ever at best been a constant struggle, and at worst an utter defeat.

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2023, 12:28:35 am »
ideas posted may just end up on AliEx   ;D

Then let’s start brainstorming and discussing ideas about perpetual motion and free energy.
 

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« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2023, 04:30:12 pm »
Could've just as well been the Boston Molasses Party I suppose.

I mean, it was, just not in relation to any national or international relationships.

As for the nationalist fervor, or jingoism or what have you, in this thread... yeah, right, whatever.  The simple fact is all countries have committed terrible atrocities.  Against their neighbors, against their ("their" in geographic terms) prior inhabitants, against their own (current, naturalized) inhabitants, against remote enemies, anything.  Some worse than others perhaps, but ranking them seems a perverse activity, at best distracting from the fact that it's happened (or happening).  Likewise, all countries can credit themselves with numerous technical, artistic, spiritual, whatever achievements; amazingly enough, countries are complex (pseudo-?)entities.

Now, there are two readings a person will take away from this:
1. "BoTh SiDeS", everyone else does it so what does it matter that we did / are doing it, and what does it matter trying to prevent others from doing it?  Even if I could do anything about it, I still don't care.  Turn on the television, I want to see how my football team is doing.

Or 2., acknowledging that that darkness exists within all of us (or at least a sizable minority of us), and that we can better ourselves, to rise above that violent streak and treat one another with love and respect no matter who we are, or where we are from; and to monitor such events as (or before) they unfold, and hold our leaders accountable to reduce or eliminate such acts; and better research and understand why and how such events come to be: to understand systemic racism; cycles of poverty, crime and violence; to understand colonialism and imperialism, and their use of these behaviors and conditions as tools, to control and mold the populations they dominate; and so on.

And, in turn, if not preventing them from happening, then at least gaining and understanding of the economic forces (read: aristocrats, oligarchs, capitalists, corporations; take your pick) that drive these circumstances.  Which, as far as I know, on a sufficiently grand (international) scale, can always be reduced to this as an explanation; the only limitation is that historical (or even current day) evidence may not always be available to prove it.  Controlling these agents, has always been a challenge; since they seek to control us (in turn, our wealth), it's only ever at best been a constant struggle, and at worst an utter defeat.

Tim

Well put, Tim.  Can't agree with you more.  What was written in your post even apply to a person to some extend.  We all have some past doings we are not proud of.  I'm sure we all stepped on somebody sometime, perhaps even knowingly so.  The important thing is, as we grow, we hope we are a better person today than we were yesterday.  We hope we made a positive difference today and hope we improved the balance of our "good we've done" vs "bad we've done" in sum total.

A word on "discovery."  It is a "relative" term relating to "for whom the discovery was made".  For example, in a statement to my family: "I discovered this restaurant with good Sunday Brunch, let's go there next Sunday."  It is not as if no one knows the restaurant exist, it is me and my family didn't know about it.  The "discovery" is I "discovered" it for my family.  Now my family  know a place for Sunday Brunch.  No different than Columbus discovered America (for the sponsors of his trip) or Marco Polo discovered the Great Wall of China (for the people whom he told).

 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2023, 06:58:44 pm »
Or 2., acknowledging that that darkness exists within all of us (or at least a sizable minority of us)
I like this.

It's always that damn sizable minority. If only we could get rid of them, somehow... :-DD
 

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« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2023, 08:02:22 pm »
I don't reject the possibility that at least a minority of us (if not a majority, which indeed is probably overstating it :P ) are capable of, well, lightness to put it overly simply; alas, it so happens that

It's always that damn sizable minority. If only we could get rid of them, somehow... :-DD

trying to do this, makes you one of them.  So, that's a non-solution. ;)

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« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2023, 08:21:44 pm »
Darkness exist because it's heavier, obviously, why else light is called light.
And night is dark simply because light drifts away.

Also, there are no darkness in bright people, simply because darkness drains out.
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« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2023, 11:17:31 pm »
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As for the nationalist fervor, or jingoism or what have you, in this thread...

Aren't you taking that a bit seriously? Apart from the initial jibe, which followed the usual form from that poster, the rest seems to me to be reasonably unserious top trumps or whatever game you call it. I don't see anyone likely to fall out with anyone else over this, or take offense, or start a fatwa or whatever.

Nationalist pride is nothing unusual or to be ashamed of. Abusing it is a problem, but the dorks that would do that would use something else if it wasn't this, and I don't see any of those sorts in this thread.
 
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