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Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« on: March 23, 2023, 06:23:34 am »
Interestingly, the Chinese Baidu company (AI/search business) is currently going berserk trawling the forum.
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2023, 06:34:36 am »
ideas posted may just end up on AliEx   ;D
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2023, 06:48:39 am »
ideas posted may just end up on AliEx   ;D

A 2000w inverter that can actually do 2000w.
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2023, 06:49:26 am »
Baidu is wise.  Harvesting good and rare info while it is still available.

Maybe write them how much for a complete DVD.  Not the full EEVblog database, only what can be retrieved anyway by online bots crawlers.

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2023, 07:08:22 am »
They'll regurgitate some censored, cut down version I'm sure.
 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2023, 07:17:56 am »
Let's make productive use of this.

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2023, 08:49:19 am »
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2023, 09:18:19 am »
Dian Ji :)

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2023, 10:05:34 am »
ideas posted may just end up on AliEx   ;D
A 2000w inverter that can actually do 2000w.

Or not, if they will have AI automatically design boards based on instructions from the Internet :P
 
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2023, 10:20:44 am »
Interestingly, the Chinese Baidu company (AI/search business) is currently going berserk trawling the forum.
Say Cheese  ;D

Oh dear.

Expect to see Chinese products based upon all the naive bad ideas presented and discussed here. For the avoidance of doubt, such discussions are good (if boringly repetitive) when they lead to a better outcome.

Is there any way of deflecting the scans onto some crappy/audiofool/conspiracy/etc site?
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2023, 10:38:46 am »
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Is there any way of deflecting the scans onto some crappy/audiofool/conspiracy/etc site?

You've heard of shadowbanning and heavenbanning, now be ready for heavenreading.  Certain visitors (search crawler bots) see topics proxied from other forums, just with the CSS, dates and usernames changed around to look like the EEVblog forums. 

... or we could troll everyone by normalising non-existent devices, hoping someone accidentally tries to manufacture and sell them.  How about putting the voice coil of a speaker inside the final stage amplification vacuum tube?  Mount it inside the speaker cabinet.  "Coilover valve"?
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2023, 01:02:45 pm »
ideas posted may just end up on AliEx   ;D

A 2000w inverter that can actually do 2000w.
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I was so surprised when my solar inverter went above it's nameplate with export.

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Wow this can totally happen. The things people do to get likes, I can totally see some fake social media followings making you do things. This gives me the chills, straight out of a Black Mirror episode. Bots create you an alternative reality :o
 
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2023, 01:14:16 pm »
Great opportunity to trot out this one. ;D


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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2023, 02:26:09 pm »
You forgot Nanking.
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2023, 02:54:03 pm »
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2023, 04:31:28 pm »
It's the propaganda we all have been exposed to (here the western propaganda), that makes us virtue-signaling out of the blue.

There is the so called brain plasticity, the brain is being continuously shaped by the stimuli it is exposed to, no matter what.  Therefore propaganda affects everybody.  No matter if the subject is aware or not about the exposure to propaganda, the subject will still be mind conditioned eventually.  :-\

The western world does censorship, too, similar with China.  We have laws against holocaust deniers, against spread covid misinformation, or antisemitism, or hate speech, etc.  Australia has laws against encryption, some nordic countries have laws against criticizing their politicians, and so on.  :-//

So yes, China bad.  Similar with everybody else.

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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2023, 05:32:29 pm »
It's the propaganda we all have been exposed to (here the western propaganda), that makes us virtue-signaling out of the blue.

There is the so called brain plasticity, the brain is being continuously shaped by the stimuli it is exposed to, no matter what.  Therefore propaganda affects everybody.  No matter if the subject is aware or not about the exposure to propaganda, the subject will still be mind conditioned eventually.  :-\

The western world does censorship, too, similar with China.  We have laws against holocaust deniers, against spread covid misinformation, or antisemitism, or hate speech, etc.  Australia has laws against encryption, some nordic countries have laws against criticizing their politicians, and so on.  :-//

So yes, China bad.  Similar with everybody else.

What, is this going to turn into hate discussion, politics and semantics?
 
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2023, 06:33:30 pm »
Today, watching live the TikTok CEO congress hearing, he's getting skewered and not giving answers about data collection, storage and how ByteDance and subsidiaries must commit to the chinese constitution regarding support of government surveillance, as one point.
This kind of thing does not make Westerners happy and yes I know google, facebook etc. are already doing that and we the West allow it. It's propaganda wars and the data collection continues en masse.
Baidu collecting I can't see it any different than other webcrawlers, suck all the knowledge out of the Western brains- but at some point people have to think for themselves which is the hard part.
 

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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2023, 08:48:09 pm »
Great opportunity to trot out this one. ;D
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2023, 08:58:28 pm »
Yeah, I don't particularly care about this coming from China rather than from anywhere else.

This raises a more general concern, and it's precisely about mass data collection, which is nothing new but it sure is rising exponentially these days.

Yes, sure, forums and web sites contents in general that have open access... can be freely accessed by anyone. That's something you accept implicitely when you own a web site or forum, that's actually what makes them interesting business-wise. You want exposure.

Does that mean that their content can and should be used for just any purpose (including data collection) without the owner's consent?
IMO, search engines should stop where they were supposed to stop, which is just referencing, to help people find your content. Any other use in terms of data collection should require the owner's consent.
That is my opinion on this anyway.

But as I already said about "AI", this is just the beginning and those data collection services are pushing as hard as possible to shatter IP laws an deprive authors of any right.

Just a small reminder, but just because you publish some content as an author doesn't directly imply that anyone is free to use said content for any purpose. That's what IP is all about, and if you think otherwise, then you either haven't understood IP or you want it abolished.

This is an extremely slippery slope.
 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2023, 10:10:17 pm »
The fact the bot is using an obvious and clear user agent is nice, that's much more polite than some bots.

Blocking automatic trawling is a double edged sword.  It might, maybe, protect some IP in some circumstances.  But it does this by making the content harder to access for everybody.  A bit like thwarting thieves by preventing any member of the public from entering your buildings.

The new and interesting use would be extracting data from forums for machine learning training.  I'd say that ship already sailed years ago with automated SEO websites that copy and paste text from other websites with a bit of grammar rejiggling (even if that).  More people are probably exposed that bunk than the output of AI bots, it's just that auto-junk-SEO sites were a slow boil whilst big AI NN were a sudden hit.

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2023, 10:42:15 pm »
Actually I like to see more Chinese folks on this forum.  China is a major manufacturer in electronics of various form.  If they are monitoring to have more feedback to make better products, that benefits all.  Even if we are complaining about how bad their products is, that is still feedback they can use to improve.

If they are here to collect personal information, they are wasting their time.  Some buying habits of forum member can be discerned for sure, but mot much other personal data here.
 
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2023, 11:25:25 pm »
ideas posted may just end up on AliEx   ;D
A 2000w inverter that can actually do 2000w.

Or not, if they will have AI automatically design boards based on instructions from the Internet :P

It's a good bet that adjustable current limiting won't work.
 
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2023, 01:05:22 am »
Today, watching live the TikTok CEO congress hearing, he's getting skewered and not giving answers about data collection, storage and how ByteDance and subsidiaries must commit to the chinese constitution regarding support of government surveillance, as one point.
This kind of thing does not make Westerners happy and yes I know google, facebook etc. are already doing that and we the West allow it. It's propaganda wars and the data collection continues en masse.
Baidu collecting I can't see it any different than other webcrawlers, suck all the knowledge out of the Western brains- but at some point people have to think for themselves which is the hard part.

That’s all the Chinese have ever done - copy western technology like a badly working photocopier. What have they actually invented  of technological worth that is uniquely from China? Not much. Noodles? Fireworks?

Here’s how it goes:

We Brits started the Industrial Revolution. Americans built upon it, and at some point down the line the Chinese cloned it all. Look at the most used and prominent inventions used every day - the majority were invented here in the UK. Before any Americans pipe up and claim said inventions, remember, we have been here many many hundreds of years before todays’ America came to be - we discovered you in 1492!

No doubt some replies with wildly faulty logic will follow, desperate to “disprove” this but the gist of it is, even though just a gist, we have the inventing in our culture and DNA here in the UK.
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2023, 01:13:37 am »
ideas posted may just end up on AliEx   ;D

A 2000w inverter that can actually do 2000w.
 :popcorn:

I've been hoping that China would do what Japan did in the 70s and realize that there is value in making high quality products with reliable specs but that doesn't seem to be happening. I'd have thought there would be shame in having a label that says "Made in China" on garbage that doesn't live up to the claims.
 
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