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How far is your voting place?

Blue America, walking distance
1 (7.1%)
Blue America, a moment with wheels
0 (0%)
Blue America, I'll manage
1 (7.1%)
Blue America, too far, too complicated
0 (0%)
Red America, walking distance
0 (0%)
Red America, a moment with wheels
2 (14.3%)
Red America, I'll manage
0 (0%)
Red America, too far, too complicated
0 (0%)
Others, walking distance
6 (42.9%)
Others, a moment with wheels
4 (28.6%)
Others, I'll manage
0 (0%)
Others, too far, too complicated
0 (0%)

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Offline m kTopic starter

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How far is your voting place?
« on: May 20, 2023, 02:16:46 pm »
This is a sidekick from Dilbert and systemic racism.
I'd say that nature of voting obstructions are pretty systemic.

Somebody said that if they can vote we can never win.
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2023, 03:29:54 pm »
In most, maybe all America, polling places are by precinct.  Also, the vast majority allow vote by mail for anyone.

Here are the rules for precincts in Ohio: https://www.ohiosos.gov/globalassets/elections/directives/2022/eom/dir2022-10-ch06.pdf

Note, the voter population must be 1,400 or less. In a typical city, that is fairly small in land area.  In the rural areas, of course, it is considerably larger, but we are not required to have at least 1,400.   My precinct is fairly small and the polling place is a local gun club.  No ones seems to be intimidated by that. ;)  It's about 3 or 4 miles away.  When I lived in the city, it was across the street at the end of my block.

What is your purpose for this poll?  When you give up on systemic racism, please don't resurrect the Russian Collusion hoax.
 

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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2023, 03:32:56 pm »
Any reason why this should be allowed in the General Technical Chat section? It is entirely political and non-technical from the start.
 
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2023, 05:43:55 pm »
rumor has it, the process has been automated & results are established ahead of time.
denying this is as if denying the borders are open.
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2023, 06:26:47 pm »
This is political only if you make it political.

I've seen some stats that split voting is diminishing.
Since red and blue are pretty even obstructing assumed opposite voting can be pragmatic.
If we assume that five states are tossups it's 10% of the Senate, continuing that and control of the chamber can be almost practically just few votes.
Based on few election maps the president part is different.
So with assumed diminishing support of the party obstructing assumed opposite voting, as long as possible, is very pragmatic.
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2023, 06:47:14 pm »
Since this is "non-political" your statement, "Since red and blue are pretty even obstructing assumed opposite voting can be pragmatic" is simply wrong. 

I am actually more interested in how Finland may have evolved democratically since being a Nazi ally.  What is the state of ethnic bigotry?  Have you simply swapped one form of national socialism for another?  Of course, I am asking for facts, not political opinions.  Let's keep it non-political.
 

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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2023, 06:55:28 pm »
I am actually more interested in why some nobody from Finland cares about American drama to any extent greater than "just fucking let 'em burn".

Betting this thread will be over in 12 hours :horse:
 

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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2023, 07:05:36 pm »
Any reason why this should be allowed in the General Technical Chat section? It is entirely political and non-technical from the start.

This place, you'd think, is an ideal spot for examining the machinations in all their forms and locations. Yet, you can see the attached fanboi baggage strapped to them like a backpack on a broke tourist.

Whether or not this thread survives, ask yourself if your own evaluation of these situations could you be just parroting twitter talking points or are you, as an engineer, doing the homework.

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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2023, 07:21:34 pm »
I am actually more interested in how Finland may have evolved democratically since being a Nazi ally.

We swapped a side around 15-Sep-44.
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2023, 07:23:27 pm »
I am actually more interested in why some nobody from Finland cares about American drama

No different than other nobodies cares about other dramas.

What I didn't know is that 34 states can start creating a practically new constitution.
But that's off topic.
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2023, 07:26:49 pm »
This place, you'd think, is an ideal spot for examining the machinations in all their forms and locations. Yet, you can see the attached fanboi baggage strapped to them like a backpack on a broke tourist.

 ??? :o ???
Had a drink too many?

Edit: now with correct quoting, hopefully.  ::)
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2023, 07:29:35 pm »
This place, you'd think, is an ideal spot for examining the machinations in all their forms and locations. Yet, you can see the attached fanboi baggage strapped to them like a backpack on a broke tourist.

 ??? :o ???

Had a drink too many?

If I have, I can still quote better than anyone here.
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2023, 07:32:45 pm »
Indeed. Posting drunk and posting from a mobile phone are about the same handicap level.  ;)
 

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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2023, 07:40:17 pm »
Indeed. Posting drunk and posting from a mobile phone are about the same handicap level.  ;)
Friends don't let friends use the forum from a phone. Even after 50000 beers, I couldn't deal with that interface.
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2023, 07:47:54 pm »
The pole excludes mail-in ballots.  California is kind of a big place with a bunch of voters, 87.5% of whom used mail-in ballots in the 2022 election.  The percentage had been somewhat lower (down around 60% but Covid changed the dynamics). A number of precincts are changing to mail-only.

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/historical-absentee

And before someone goes off the rails, the signature on the ballot return envelope is matched to an exemplar given when the voter registered.  Yes, they actually check signatures.  They also send me email when they send out the ballot, when they receive the completed ballot and, finally, after my ballot is counted.

Works well and I don't have to stand in line.
 
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2023, 07:56:27 pm »
As far as I can tell, using google maps, the nearest American polling station to Finland is in Baffin Island

Is that Red America or Blue America?

Is it safe to assume that most of South America and Central America is Red America?

Is most of Canada Blue America?

I seem to remember that CNN sometimes posts a map of Red and Blue States in USA, but nothing for the bulk of America

I am confused

Nearest American polling station to me appears to be Newfoundland and Labrador - is that Red America or Blue America?
 

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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2023, 08:05:14 pm »
As far as I can tell, using google maps, the nearest American polling station to Finland is in Baffin Island

Is that Red America or Blue America?

Is it safe to assume that most of South America and Central America is Red America?

Is most of Canada Blue America?

I seem to remember that CNN sometimes posts a map of Red and Blue States in USA, but nothing for the bulk of America

I am confused

Nearest American polling station to me appears to be Newfoundland and Labrador - is that Red America or Blue America?

I understood that for the US they send you your ballot, partially filled out. Could someone clarify?
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2023, 08:19:55 pm »
I heard they shuffle names and punch holes.

The pole excludes mail-in ballots.

No.
You can include the trip to the mail box if distance is otherwise too short.
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2023, 08:27:27 pm »
I am actually more interested in why some nobody from Finland cares about American drama

No different than other nobodies cares about other dramas.

What I didn't know is that 34 states can start creating a practically new constitution.
But that's off topic.

Then read our Constitution.  It is not very long.  And, of course, some parts have been negated by amendments.   Here are some factoids of our history that you apparently don't know either:

Thomas Jefferson, one of our founders and author of the Declaration of Independence (but not the Constitution), is often quoted as saying a revolution once in awhile is a good thing.  Of note, he despised slavery, but owned slaves.  He traveled to France with a female slave (his lover) who would have been free in France, but opted to stay with him and return to America as his slave.  General Robert E. Lee (the most prominent Confederate General) NEVER owned a slave.  His father owned about 800 and upon his inheritance, he freed every one of them.  He despised slavery but walked the talk.  General Grant (Union general and post-Civil War President) owned at least one slave, and there are photographs of him, his slave, and President Lincoln meeting at camp.  General Grant is quoted as saying about the Emancipation Proclamation that if he had known Lincoln would do that, he would have fought for the South. Finally, the Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in the United States at all.  It only freed slaves in the "rebellious  states" i.e., the Confederacy.  It was a political move in the hopes of inciting a revolution by the slaves.  Kentucky and Delaware were slave states and retained slavery even after the war until it was outlawed by the 13th Amendment in December, 1865 (well after the war and during "reconstruction" of an non-freely voting and militarily occupied South).

Our Civil War was the most costly war in terms of American lives lost America has ever fought -- both in percentage of population by far and in actual number of lives (over 600,000).  It's background is complex, and slave vs. "free" states was certainly a major issue, but the first shots at Fort Sumter were not fired over slavery, they were fired over the Federal government's refusal to pay "rent" to South Carolina for use of its land.

Now, back to Finland's history with regard to human rights.  Can you explain?
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2023, 08:45:39 pm »
If you want to understand the geographical distribution of blue and red voters, you must look at a finer resolution than States, at least down to counties (for example, Illinois has 102 counties).
Such maps are published shortly after elections.  Here is the 2020 US Presidential election  https://brilliantmaps.com/2020-county-election-map/  Note that the size and number of counties vary greatly from State to State.
Within each State, the Electors for president are determined by total votes, not area.
There is a built-in non-linearity in the overall Electoral College, since each State has a minimum of (two plus one) electoral votes, even with a small population.
 
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2023, 08:59:50 pm »
Yes, but land based map is misleading.

Now, back to Finland's history with regard to human rights.  Can you explain?

No.
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2023, 09:14:56 pm »
Yes, but land based map is misleading.


No.  If you look at that map, the rural/city effect is obvious.
Note that counties are merely administrative convenience for States:  there is no requirement that their populations be even roughly equal, since they are not legislative districts.
Legislative districts are required to be close to equal in population, but clever gerrymandering can optimize the result for the gerrymandering party.
It has been said that Wisconsin is gerrymandered to the maximum degree permitted by law and mathematics;  the overall vote in that State is roughly equal between the two parties, but the gerrymandering party has about 2/3 of the seats in the State legislature.
The statewide races (e.g. Governor) are not gerrymanderable.
In 2018, 53% of the Wisconsin legislature vote went to the Democrats, but 63 of the 99 seats in the legislature went to Republicans.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistricting_in_Wisconsin
The neighboring State of Illinois is gerrymandered in favor of the Democrats in the State legislature, but I can't quickly locate the corresponding overall vote and resulting seats data.
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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2023, 09:20:50 pm »
Yes, but land based map is misleading.

Now, back to Finland's history with regard to human rights.  Can you explain?

No.

One has to love your hubris.
 

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Re: How far is your voting place?
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2023, 11:45:33 pm »
This is a sidekick from Dilbert and systemic racism.
I'd say that nature of voting obstructions are pretty systemic.
Somebody said that if they can vote we can never win.

Go to another forum to discuss that. Locked.
 
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