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Offline BravoV

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2023, 06:25:19 am »
As a younger Chinese (expat) who had been tricked by fellow Chinese all the time, I'm really frustrated about this. I'm trying to be honest myself as much a possible and but can do nothing about others.

My view is a bit brighter as I witnessed the transition of "Made in China" higher value goods from complete crap into something less crappy, as well as other changes in mainland China as the Chinese people are getting richer. We may just need to wait longer and hope another cold war will not start. I think "Made in Japan" also had similar transition, not in 70s but a bit later (and the role of US-Japan relation in this transition is another interesting topic).

Good, have a little patience and keep hanging there a "little while" grasshopper, good things will come eventually.  :clap:

Naturally, like human analogy, before you can run fast, you need to learn to walk properly, before that to stand firmly, and crawl steadily .. etc.

It takes time, again, patience. Ignore the naysayers, bashers or worst saboteurs, they're too scared to see the progress going.

Forget Japan, they managed to learn to crawl, stand up, walk steadily and run fast  :clap: , but when tried to fly ... they were "handicapped" by imperial power, you're smart enough to be aware and know who.  >:D

Yes, Japan is basically "crippled" by design, and your country does NOT have that problem like Japan does, just be patience for little longer, let it ripe, naturally.  :clap:

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #76 on: April 11, 2023, 06:38:51 am »
Would be funny if we could detect when AI trawls the forum and pass all those requests though a word substitution filter so the training text they get is tainted in a known way.

But we might be shooting ourselves in the foot.  Having a really good electronics GPT system would be nice.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2023, 06:40:24 am by Psi »
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #77 on: April 28, 2023, 02:39:02 am »
It's good to 'practice' the personal justice thing, on Chinese tech, sure, makes one feel good.  But closer to home, for those of us in the U.S. would be a little more recognition of our own 'Dirty Laundrey'.
   Censorship, free speech issues ? 
   Here in the U.S. I've gotten cancelled, from an extra benefits package, worth thousands $.
   "Mr. Rick, it appears the office staff had SHREDDED your files..." The friendly office person confided, without further explanation.
   I figure it was, probably, me working the mouth, as usual:
   "You folks, your office, you need to actually be there, not at home, 'working'.  I couldn't even get a phone-call through, to the office person handling my request."
"...Maybe try less emphasis, on letting everyone know, how 'DIVERSE' your organization is..."

(See what I mean, about me running my mouth, in
 America ?)
 
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #78 on: April 28, 2023, 07:15:35 am »
No, I do not at all see what you mean.
 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #79 on: April 28, 2023, 10:12:55 pm »
Ok, I'm often not so clear of a writer (EECS).
   Part of the point being, many times I've come across a fellow American, that confuses IDEAL citizen makeup rather than actual.  An 'IDEAL' citizen is going to recognize stupidity or bigotry in any context, while the actual, quite naturally, will have some degree of bias-induced 'blindness', to actual flaws close to home.
   That means self-critical perception, but worse even, is when the self-critical stuff gets totally shut down, as is the case at present.
   To save a few hurt feelings, I will state that indirectly:
   State governor John Jones, (fictional example) runs for office, garnering all sorts of praise, to the degree that it appears 'unconditional', regardless of actual competence, as a public office agent.
Meanwhile, Mary Smith (fictional) will be running for same office, soon, and every last breath and word uttered seems to involve contempt-riddled and endless criticism...almost as if Satan himself were the subject of such withering scrutiny.

   Looking at that juxtaposed pair of candidates, and the coverage they get, much of the glaring difference of treatment starts to make sense, when the fact that 'its politics' is considered.  THEN, a person often can say "Oh...wait, ...this is just, simply, POLITICAL smear dynamics...".   Not all that clever, either.
(Some just play dumb, when obvious smear tactics are put before them).
Ultimately, some recognize that dichotomy, and have a light-hearted laugh, while others continue to dig in and 'cant see it'.... A bit of Gaslighting, there, as last resort.
 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #80 on: April 28, 2023, 10:33:45 pm »
Point being, using REAL examples, now:
   I had mentioned, BEFORE they disappeared my file contents, had mentioned that 'Covid shut-downs are interfering with your office functioning properly'.
That's criticism.
   'Your office is engaging in nonproductive 'virtue signalling', a self-declared (racial and social) inclusion of all...'
My words there were not so harsh, but perceived as such.
More criticism.  You cannot criticise, without consequences.  My loss being a couple thousand bucks, and more than a year delay to correct that little 'glitch', in consistency.
   Others have lost their jobs.  Go ahead and doubt that.
That's called Gas Lighting,...
 

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #81 on: May 20, 2023, 01:31:05 pm »
I have to laugh at anyone who thinks Baidu is doing anything nefarious when crawling websites. It's search engine for cat's sakes!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baidu

Baidu has the second largest search engine in the world, and held a 76.05% market share in China's search engine market. In December 2007, Baidu became the first Chinese company to be included in the NASDAQ-100 index. As of May 2018, Baidu's market cap rose to US$99 billion. In October 2018, Baidu became the first Chinese firm to join the United States-based computer ethics consortium Partnership on AI.
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #82 on: May 20, 2023, 02:16:40 pm »
Baidu became the first Chinese firm to join the United States-based computer ethics consortium Partnership on AI.

No idea what "computer ethics consortium on AI" supposed to mean.  :-//
Google says that's an NGO, or else said it's nobody.

Meanwhile, a couple of years ago USA ratified for DoD the development of lethal autonomous/AI-driven weapons.  That act was justified as a "zero sum game" in response to the Chinese military.  So neither of the two states is innocent when it comes to ethics about AI.

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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #83 on: May 20, 2023, 02:25:36 pm »
FYI, you are responding to a necro by a known China fanboy :popcorn:

Kinda surpsised to see him again, I thought he rage quit the forum years ago.
 
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #84 on: May 20, 2023, 03:54:28 pm »
The key development since that time has been the widespread wary-ness of committees and indeed consortiums that, for example, have words like ethics shoved in the mission statement.

Systemic pander groups are on the nose.
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #85 on: May 20, 2023, 10:37:26 pm »
They'll regurgitate some censored, cut down version I'm sure.

Misinterpreted / misunderstood I’m sure.
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Re: Baidu is trawling the EEVblog forum
« Reply #86 on: May 20, 2023, 10:45:02 pm »
Just imagine what the AI platforms are learning from this thread !
Copy it to as many sites as possible, then you can drive the future as it becomes future truth.
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