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| “Battery EV” vs “Hydrogen Fuel cell EV” |
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| MadScientist:
Listening to the nonsense hydrogen argument is like listening to proponents of Betamax The vehicle industry has decided BEV is the way forward , end of story. Even Toyota finally realised “ Betamax “ was done The argument is over , hydrogen is not green , expensive and dangerous to store , it’s dino fuel by another name. Batteries to day already meet 80% of most people’s private motoring needs , range now can exceed way beyond many people total weekly mileage Ireland at the stroke of a pen removed benefit in kind from work charging No need for loads of street chargers. People will have at least a weeks range . Most urban people have small commutes and priorities are to move them to public transport . Urban people will charge at big mega charger centres. Hone charging will not be a big player into the future as the power available by the time available will not be enough for big batteries. Road pricing will be introduced based on gps , and used to recover tax for road users , this has already been studied by several countries By the way the biggest material in batteries isn’t lithium , it’s cobalt and nickel The arguments advanced by HEV proponents are based on poor facts , outdated perspectives and a fundamental mis understanding of how people use cars especially EVs. The arguments long over. |
| Faringdon:
--- Quote ---By the way the biggest material in batteries isn’t lithium , it’s cobalt and nickel --- End quote --- Thanks, a Tesla Model S needs 63Kg of lithium https://electrek.co/2016/11/01/breakdown-raw-materials-tesla-batteries-possible-bottleneck/ An average EV contains about 10kG of lithium. Thats a lot. Its a finite resource. What if countries that have it sell it off to a "single agent"? |
| wraper:
--- Quote from: Faringdon on November 14, 2021, 09:00:30 pm --- --- Quote ---By the way the biggest material in batteries isn’t lithium , it’s cobalt and nickel --- End quote --- Thanks, a Tesla Model S needs 63Kg of lithium --- End quote --- That figure is nonsensical. Li-ion batteries contain a few % of lithium at most on a cell level. 63kg of lithium for 453kg on a package level is completely nonsensical. And the top comment says exactly that. --- Quote ---Visual Capitalist is off in their lithium calculation. Musk has repeatedly said that the amount of lithium in the batteries is "about 2% by mass", not the 13.9% claimed in the article. Motley Fool quotes 11.7kg of lithium, which better aligns with Musk's claim. --- End quote --- And later comments say that an original article was about amount of lithium carbonate, not lithium. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---Batteries to day already meet 80% of most people’s private motoring needs --- End quote --- How will the other 20% manage? |
| wraper:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on November 14, 2021, 09:23:51 pm --- --- Quote ---Batteries to day already meet 80% of most people’s private motoring needs --- End quote --- How will the other 20% manage? --- End quote --- When there will be more charging infrastructure due to BEV replacing ICE and a little bit of advancement on the range, 100% will be covered. |
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