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| tom66:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on November 15, 2021, 11:38:40 am ---Because that's how it's being sold to us. In London's ultra-low emission zone hybrids are classed the same as petrol and diesel. They get a free pass on the congestion charge, but only because they were the clean option when that was brought in. It is clearly full EV or filthy polluter - no middle way. --- End quote --- The problem with PHEVs is they're rarely charged. I have a Golf GTE PHEV, and I plug mine in almost religiously, and plan the usage of the battery when on hybrid mode to maximise efficiency (and thereby minimise CO2.) I am fairly unique. My neighbour has the Audi S3 version of my GTE, and I don't think I've ever seen it plugged in. He starts it in the morning and a delightful smell of petrol bursts out of the exhaust. He then idles it for about 5 minutes before setting off, I guess he wants the cabin warm. This is despite him parking next to his back garden, so charging would hardly be an onerous problem (I run an extension lead through the window.) He could pre-heat it and probably use the vehicle part-electrically, but instead just benefits from the tax discount for the lease. To allow PHEVs in London (and other big cities) at the same rate as EVs - you'd need to say that they had to be used on electric. And the whole point of a PHEV is that they have both electric and fuel available to them. Maybe you could say driving in a zero-emissions zone is only allowed on electric mode, but how would you determine that from cameras alone? |
| PlainName:
Isn't an issue with hybrids the small battery? Something like 20-mile range, which isn't that much. However, I would have thought that with the rise in petrol prices, plugging it in whenever you can would be worth a fair bit! Clearly, your neighbour earns too much and should be paying more taxes >:D |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on November 15, 2021, 02:23:56 pm ---Isn't an issue with hybrids the small battery? Something like 20-mile range, which isn't that much. However, I would have thought that with the rise in petrol prices, plugging it in whenever you can would be worth a fair bit! Clearly, your neighbour earns too much and should be paying more taxes >:D --- End quote --- Even with a small battery you could save a fair bit of money with a PHEV IF you can charge it from your own outlet (or better: for free) and IF you drive short distances. But then again, short distances are also easy to cover by bicycle. I rarely use my car to drive less than 10km and have no problem to travel much further by bicycle. Inside a city a bicycle is among the fastest modes of transportation anyway. |
| ogden:
--- Quote from: Marco on November 15, 2021, 10:14:51 am ---The extension cord to connect a jetliner to the grid in flight isn't free either. --- End quote --- Your point is what exactly? - That consumers do not care about "fuel" cost? Think again. It's 47.5 EUR to fill 500km range Toyota Miray compared to 15 EUR 500km range Tesla Model3 (2017 price). .pdf. Hydrogen fuel cells could be good for long range trucks - because the bigger vehicle, the worse impact of battery dead weight. [edit] Attach from same document. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: ogden on November 15, 2021, 06:17:41 pm --- --- Quote from: Marco on November 15, 2021, 10:14:51 am ---The extension cord to connect a jetliner to the grid in flight isn't free either. --- End quote --- Your point is what exactly? - That consumers do not care about "fuel" cost? Think again. It's 47.5 EUR to fill 500km range Toyota Miray compared to 15 EUR 500km range Tesla Model3 (2017 price). --- End quote --- That depends on where your electricity comes from. 500km range from a super charger along the highway costs you 80 euro! |
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