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“Battery EV” vs “Hydrogen Fuel cell EV”
PlainName:
--- Quote ---That's a political problem much more so than a technological problem.
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Yep, and the solution will be political, not technological. Sure, you need the technology (and working technology at that) but scaling it and getting it accepted is generally a political thing. Unless you can go viral on TikTok, maybe.
--- Quote ---You get the government you vote for
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Seems to be you get the government everyone else voted for.
Votes aren't the answer. With most elections you have a couple of parties and several hatfulls of issues. If one of those parties happens to have in their manifesto the thing you really care about (which isn't often - many times no party will be onboard) the chances are very high that they'll be done on something else you really care for.
ogden:
--- Quote from: TimFox on November 15, 2021, 08:59:52 pm ---If a "free" source of power should become practical (e.g., fusion), water could be electrolysed into hydrogen and oxygen at the power source and distributed through pipelines. However, it is true that 95% of current industrial production of hydrogen is from natural gas, where the rest of the feedstock is carbon.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production
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Right. Some EU bureaucrats realized it hard way. This project deemed doomed to be inefficient and too costly compared to usual "wired" trolley bus. Who would thought, right? :D
nctnico:
--- Quote from: wraper on November 15, 2021, 06:36:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 15, 2021, 06:25:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: ogden on November 15, 2021, 06:17:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Marco on November 15, 2021, 10:14:51 am ---The extension cord to connect a jetliner to the grid in flight isn't free either.
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Your point is what exactly? - That consumers do not care about "fuel" cost? Think again. It's 47.5 EUR to fill 500km range Toyota Miray compared to 15 EUR 500km range Tesla Model3 (2017 price).
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That depends on where your electricity comes from. 500km range from a super charger along the highway costs you 80 euro!
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Utter BS https://tm3een.home.blog/2021/06/06/kwh-prices-at-european-tesla-superchargers-20210606/
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Tesla's superchargers aren't along the highway. Look at the prices from -for example- Ionity: 0.79 euro per kWh
wraper:
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 15, 2021, 09:12:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: wraper on November 15, 2021, 06:36:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 15, 2021, 06:25:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: ogden on November 15, 2021, 06:17:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Marco on November 15, 2021, 10:14:51 am ---The extension cord to connect a jetliner to the grid in flight isn't free either.
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Your point is what exactly? - That consumers do not care about "fuel" cost? Think again. It's 47.5 EUR to fill 500km range Toyota Miray compared to 15 EUR 500km range Tesla Model3 (2017 price).
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That depends on where your electricity comes from. 500km range from a super charger along the highway costs you 80 euro!
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Utter BS https://tm3een.home.blog/2021/06/06/kwh-prices-at-european-tesla-superchargers-20210606/
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Tesla's superchargers aren't along the highway. Look at the prices from -for example- Ionity: 0.79 euro per kWh
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You said "super charger" which implies Tesla, then call for Ionyty prices. Still it won't cost EUR 80 to charge unless you have an inefficient garbage like Audi e-tron. As of Hydrogen, in Latvia we have a whopping single filling station which sells steam methane reformed junk for 14,50 EUR/kg.
wraper:
Also you can get a discounted subscription price, it makes no sense to use Ionity otherwise. https://www.electrive.com/2021/10/01/ionity-launches-35-cent-kwh-subscription-model/
+ there are car manufacturer specific deals.
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