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james_s:

--- Quote from: Miyuki on November 16, 2021, 09:16:51 am ---Truth most modern engines need new piston rings at about 100,000 miles
And head gasket failure is in most cases a consequence of failure in the cooling system

Both are easy to repair and parts are cheap, but takes about a day or two of service work what can be an issue and not many services do this kind of work today. They do just the easy repairs  ::)

But also there is plenty of ICE that fail to metallurgy fatigue at about 150,000-200,000
As they are engineered this way to make them cheaper while most owners do not use cars this long
ICE can be easily built to last 1,000,000 km but it does not make much economic sense as it makes it more expensive to manufacture and might slightly increase fuel consumption plus people do not like to ride in 20,30,... years old car

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I find that surprising. I don't think I have ever owned a car with under 100,000 miles on it and I've never had to replace the piston rings in any of them. My daily driver has almost 270k on it and doesn't burn oil although I need to fix a leak in the rear main seal. My previous car had 330k miles on it when I was rear ended and totaled it, the engine still ran well and didn't burn oil. I would be really upset if a well maintained engine suffered a major failure at under 250k.

james_s:

--- Quote from: nctnico on November 16, 2021, 05:50:27 pm ---Doesn't matter how or when a BEV gets charged from public chargers. Just take a piece of paper and start adding the cost for the charging infrastructure. You'll see the costs are massive and there needs to be a ROI on top at some point.

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OMG, stop, just stop! I'm sorry but you are so full of shit, every one of these threads you come in and start making these absolutely absurd arguments, completely un-encumbered by reality. Most of what you keep saying is simply not true, you're making mountains out of problems that were solved years ago, claiming things can't be done that are already being done by millions of people, inventing new problems that never existed and it's just getting ridiculous. You don't like EVs, we get it, that has been made abundantly clear, so don't buy one and that problem is solved. Meanwhile the rest of the world is getting on with things, and large numbers of people are finding them perfectly suitable, enough so that some of the best selling cars in the world are EVs. Yet you continue to argue endlessly from some alternate reality where none of this has happened yet, continuously inventing problems that don't exist or making up data that is wildly exaggerated. It's just ridiculous.

nctnico:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 16, 2021, 06:18:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 16, 2021, 05:50:27 pm ---Doesn't matter how or when a BEV gets charged from public chargers. Just take a piece of paper and start adding the cost for the charging infrastructure. You'll see the costs are massive and there needs to be a ROI on top at some point.

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Do you know how much a car parking space costs?

A flat tarmacked space in a standard car park is about 8000 EUR.
A multi-storey car park is close to 40,000 EUR/space.

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But those aren't in front of your home  :palm: On top of that such commercial parking spaces devaluate at a much slower pace (more likely in the order of 20 to 30 years) with revenue coming from many cars parked in that space for a short period of time.

nctnico:

--- Quote from: james_s on November 16, 2021, 06:38:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on November 16, 2021, 05:50:27 pm ---Doesn't matter how or when a BEV gets charged from public chargers. Just take a piece of paper and start adding the cost for the charging infrastructure. You'll see the costs are massive and there needs to be a ROI on top at some point.

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OMG, stop, just stop! I'm sorry but you are so full of shit, every one of these threads you come in and start making these absolutely absurd arguments, completely un-encumbered by reality. Most of what you keep saying is simply not true, you're making mountains out of problems that were solved years ago, claiming things can't be done that are already being done by millions of people, inventing new problems that never existed and it's just getting ridiculous. You don't like EVs, we get it, that has been made abundantly clear, so don't buy one and that problem is solved. Meanwhile the rest of the world is getting on with things, and large numbers of people are finding them perfectly suitable, enough so that some of the best selling cars in the world are EVs. Yet you continue to argue endlessly from some alternate reality where none of this has happened yet, continuously inventing problems that don't exist or making up data that is wildly exaggerated. It's just ridiculous.

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No, you just keep living the pipe dream. In an older thread I brought up the fact that putting an extension cord over the side walk is not a good idea because of liability issues due to tripping danger and likely to be banned. I was the forum's idiot for even bringing it up. Fast forward to today: in the city I live in you get a fine of 259 euro if you charge your EV using an extension cord over the sidewalk. The reason behind it --drum roll-- : liability due to tripping danger.

Sure it is easy to solve all the problems in the world sitting from an comfy armchair but the reality is much thougher than you like to think.

ogden:

--- Quote from: james_s on November 16, 2021, 06:27:06 pm ---I find that surprising. I don't think I have ever owned a car with under 100,000 miles on it and I've never had to replace the piston rings in any of them. My daily driver has almost 270k on it and doesn't burn oil although I need to fix a leak in the rear main seal. My previous car had 330k miles on it when I was rear ended and totaled it, the engine still ran well and didn't burn oil. I would be really upset if a well maintained engine suffered a major failure at under 250k.

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What is your 270k mile daily driver that does not burn oil? I bet it is not equipped with "modern" petrol 1500cc turbo engine.

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