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| nctnico:
--- Quote from: tom66 on March 27, 2022, 09:12:01 pm ---Even if a public charger costs 10kEUR to install (let's go with your estimate). Let us say it serves those 3 cars at 9000 miles per annum. So over 10 years it 'provided' 270,000 miles of electricity. Or about 67MWh of electricity. That's a 13 euro cent per kWh markup over 10 years. Hardly devastating. --- End quote --- It is still a huge price increase of about 2.6 cents per km. An equavalent of paying 52 eurocents cents extra per liter of gas (assuming driving an efficient hybrid). |
| emece67:
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| MadScientist:
Again the drive way and home charging is simply not the issue , undoubtably it’s popular now because it’s cheaper , it’s very unclear over time if the running costs of EVs will remain below ICE , I believe ultimately via road pricing and selective electricity tariffs it’s will probably be as expensive to run as ICE is today The primary driver of EV public policy is the decarbonisation of private transport. Governments don’t want to make it cheaper in fact they want the make private motoring more expensive to encourage transfers to public transport. For example there is no concession where I am in road side parking rates for EVs because public policy is to discourage people bringing in private cars into the city centre. BEV s will not enable cheaper motoring I’m sure of that. |
| MadScientist:
--- Quote from: james_s on March 28, 2022, 05:57:14 am --- --- Quote from: MadScientist on March 27, 2022, 06:49:52 pm ---Again you can charge at centralised high power charging stations , while home charging is “ nice to have “ , a driveway or home charging is not required to own an EV. --- End quote --- Home charging is the single biggest advantage of having an EV. IMO there is very little point in owning one if this is not an option for you, just get a regular gas/diesel car or hybrid. Yes it's possible to get by without it, my dad did, but if you can't charge at home you are missing out on the best feature they offer, the fact that you start out each day with a full charge and never have to stop anywhere to fill up. I know quite a few people with EVs now and every single one of them charges it primarily at home. --- End quote --- Yet I have met loads of people with EVs at fast charger sites that have no domestic charging solution so I’d query your logic. It all depends on usage , if you have 20 km commute and 400km range , charging at home is irelevant as is the weekly overhead in visiting a fast charger , whereas I had a 130 km daily commute and relied heavily on nightly domestic charging |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---as is the weekly overhead in visiting a fast charger --- End quote --- Which means you need to allow time to go there and then sit waiting while it charges, which is a drag. And as they get more popular you'll go there expecting to waste time waiting for it to charge, only to find there isn't a charger free so you go home and plan another trip sometime. You may think it's not an issue, but during the recent petrol shortages it was a MASSIVE bummer to find somewhere flogging the stuff and which didn't have a round-the-block queue. Just thinking about going out again to try and get some juice was seriously aggravating. You're suggesting EV charging won't be like that, but the only way it won't is it you can fast charge batteries, like in 5 mins or so. That's not to prevent the wait-while-charge bummer but to have a greater chance of finding a charger free. |
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