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“Battery EV” vs “Hydrogen Fuel cell EV”
PlainName:
--- Quote --- though as I understand it unmanned ones are permitted
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No idea about permissions but the Asda near here has a 24/7 forecourt which is pay-at-pump only outside what seems to be office hours - it's like that even when the main shop is still open. No-one in the kiosk or anywhere near.
The local Tesco doesn't even have a kiosk. It's effectively a huge above-ground tank wrapped in cladding (I saw it being built) with pay-at-pump only available. No staff anywhere.
2N3055:
Here plenty of gas pumps work 24/7. Not all, but many.
I have additional thing to add to the mix. We are tourist country.
During summer season, we need to have both gasoline and in this case EV chargers capacity for all those tourists that pour in. Since we are in the middle of EU, most tourists come with the car...
There are some little places by the sea where population is 10k but they carry 50-60 thousands of people over summer.
Also Croatia has unique problem of having thousands of islands. Basic electricity distribution is a pain in a first place.
Saving grace is that there are many smaller islands that have no vehicles. Some of hose actually use all electric fleet for public services and solar charging with local storage battery installation. On one island they boost power grid with large solar installation.
So where it is possible and smart, people already use green energy. Even in a small and not very rich country like mine.
But infrastructure is not in place for a country wide deployment of BEV and ban of liquid/gas fueled vehicles. That is a simple fact. And unlike simple and quick job of buying a piece of land, digging in a tank and basically dropping on a top a ready made pump facility, that I've seen done in few months, installing 100ths of thousands chargers on streets and charging stations with 10s of thousands of new transformer stations and building a new grid capacity on every level is a
25 years infrastructure project. Without even mentioning additional generation capacity on country level. Those are major projects..
I'm not arguing BEV or any kind of green energy vehicles are not good. If I could charge at home, and would have one that has 400km range, it would fill all my short and long range needs. In that case I would buy it in a hearthbeat.
But as it is now, no. I have to make frequent trips to our capital. That's cca. 350 km round trip. And I do it randomly, when I need to support customers. So it is sometimes 3 days in a row and sometimes once in 2 weeks.
So I either have to charge at home every night and be ready every day, or I loose huge amount of time catering to stupid charging.
tom66:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 29, 2022, 04:47:08 pm ---
--- Quote --- though as I understand it unmanned ones are permitted
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No idea about permissions but the Asda near here has a 24/7 forecourt which is pay-at-pump only outside what seems to be office hours - it's like that even when the main shop is still open. No-one in the kiosk or anywhere near.
The local Tesco doesn't even have a kiosk. It's effectively a huge above-ground tank wrapped in cladding (I saw it being built) with pay-at-pump only available. No staff anywhere.
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I think there's some regulation that these pumping stations need to be monitored, that's why they don't activate immediately when you lift the nozzle. Someone is probably checking CCTV somewhere, but you could serve ten petrol stations with one CCTV attendant pretty easily, so it may well all be remote. Not certain but that would be my guess.
Anyway, it's absolutely possible to conceive of situations where EVs are less convenient than petrol cars as well as the reverse. I would argue that a car that charges up overnight so it always has pretty much 80% SoC is about as convenient as you can get. There are of course situations where you might have to go on a long trip just after a work commute - but I am convinced that inconvenience is far outweighed by the need to visit a petrol station every 2-3 weeks.
james_s:
--- Quote from: richard.cs on March 29, 2022, 03:06:32 pm ---I don't know about you but I do have to plan with my petrol car. I often find myself visiting friends on a Sunday evening and have to consciously decide if I have enough petrol for the round trip and if needed buy petrol on the way (or the day before if I know I am going to be busy) because around here all the petrol stations shut early on a Sunday. At least charge points tend to be available 24 hours.
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He will argue endlessly about these impossible challenges facing EV owners that will make them completely unworkable, despite the inconvenient fact that millions of EV owners have already solved these "problems" years ago and they are a complete non-issue for hundreds of millions of people around the world. It happens in every single EV related thread. "I have these unusual edge cases that make it impractical for me therefor it will not work for anyone!"
james_s:
--- Quote from: tom66 on March 29, 2022, 07:46:33 pm ---Anyway, it's absolutely possible to conceive of situations where EVs are less convenient than petrol cars as well as the reverse. I would argue that a car that charges up overnight so it always has pretty much 80% SoC is about as convenient as you can get. There are of course situations where you might have to go on a long trip just after a work commute - but I am convinced that inconvenience is far outweighed by the need to visit a petrol station every 2-3 weeks.
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I've said this before but I would happily give up the ability to use gas (petrol) stations entirely if I could trickle gas into my car overnight via a little tube hung on the wall in my garage and have a full tank every morning. The last time I drove through more than a whole tank of gas in a single day was around 20 years ago, I can rent different car if I ever need to do that again. I simply don't care if it takes hours to fill up if it can be done while I'm parked at home, my car spends the majority of the time in my garage or driveway just sitting there.
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