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“Battery EV” vs “Hydrogen Fuel cell EV”
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Nusa:
If you've been looking up HEV, realize that is the industry alphabet soup for Hybrid Electric Vehicle. No hydrogen involved. Which is an EV/ICE combination, typically with a much smaller and cheaper battery. Also the subset PHEV, which is Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle.

The correct term would be FCEV (Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle). Which doesn't have to be hydrogen, although those currently for sale are.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Nusa on November 13, 2021, 07:18:52 pm ---The correct term would be FCEV (Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle). Which doesn't have to be hydrogen, although those currently for sale are.

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True. Ethanol for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-ethanol_fuel_cell
PlainName:

--- Quote ---and even Boris Johnson is in on the act
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Which means that whatever we've been told it will be, it will turn out to be the exact opposite, but only after lots of bluster and outright fibbing.
TimFox:

--- Quote from: james_s on November 13, 2021, 07:00:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: rstofer on November 13, 2021, 03:13:54 pm ---Many years ago, there was a movement to get vehicles powered by natural gas.  Some utility companies bought into it as did many municipal bus systems.  The public never did and that's why it is nearly impossible to find a filling station.  I see fuel cells going the same way.  Municipalities and utilities will buy into it (because they are forced to) but not much else.  You can see that pattern in the California initiative to install 250 hydrogen stations and 250,000 battery charging stations.

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When my dad worked for the Port of Seattle he said they had fleets of vehicles that ran off CNG. It works well for an operation that has a large enough fleet that they can have their own filling station on site but it wasn't enough of an improvement over gasoline for the infrastructure to pop up everywhere. I suspect you're right that the same thing will happen with hydrogen, if it is mandated, but generally I see it going nowhere. I've never seen a hydrogen filling station before in my life, as far as I know almost all of them that exist in this country are down in CA.

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Before retiring, and thereafter before the pandemic, I made many business trips (and a couple of vacation trips) to Japan.  As a pollution control, the taxicabs in Tokyo all used LP gas (although in less urban areas they were gasoline powered).  Unfortunately, the tank took up much of the trunk space that could have been useful for big American luggage.
tom66:

--- Quote from: nctnico on November 13, 2021, 07:16:42 pm ---Not tax free employee perks. Over here there are very strict limits on what employers can hand out for free and what counts as income. This legislation has been put in place to prevent employers paying employees with goods instead of money in order to evade taxes. This isn't trivial to change and you'd also need to think about how that is fair to people who come to work by bike or public transport. If you look at the big picture things are not simple.

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Pretty trivial in the UK.
Certain things are not taxable as a benefit - like accommodation when needed for your job (i.e. oil workers, or a salesman taking a hotel overnight)
Electric vehicle charging is included in that.  It can be free or they can charge you at cost, but either way there's no cost for any benefit you get.

I don't know the Dutch tax code, but I'm sure that they have exceptions for taxable benefits.  Pasting "charging for electric vehicles" into that tax code seems hardly arduous.

In any case at my old job I did have to pay for my EV charging.  It didn't seem worthwhile to charge me - at about £10 a month - but it was seen as fair to the other employees who had to pay for their petrol and diesel.  The accountant would just go down and read the electric meter for my 'station', each 'station' having its own, and I only had the key for #4, so I knew that was all the electricity I used.  It was then deducted from my salary at the end of the month.

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