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| james_s:
--- Quote from: Nusa on November 14, 2021, 10:53:03 am ---Careful, hijacking into politics, especially if you start getting partisan or start calling real people names, is a great way to force moderators to act. --- End quote --- I didn't name any names, I didn't mention any parties, I only stated the facts. The governor in my state spends a lot of time blathering about the environment but actions speak louder than words, and it is a simple fact that there is a great dis-incentive to driving an electric vehicle here because you are nailed with extra taxes. I pay about $90 to renew the tabs on my car each year, my friend with a Spark EV pays around $500, my friend with a Tesla pays $950, every year. I understand the need to pay for roads and such, but we are nowhere near the market saturation where an extra EV tax makes sense. They also know damn well that the value calculations on the cars are nowhere near accurate and they don't care, the state has fought off every effort so far to correct that. When the state insists a car is worth 3 times what the insurance will pay out if it gets totaled and taxes accordingly something is very wrong. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: james_s on November 14, 2021, 06:15:17 pm --- --- Quote from: NiHaoMike on November 14, 2021, 03:11:24 pm ---The easy solution would be to make every major road a toll road, with existing cars granted "grandfather plates" that exempts them from those tolls or at least greatly reduces the rate. --- End quote --- I don't think that idea is likely to fly, people hate toll roads, and it would take a huge amount of infrastructure to implement. Unless every random back road and residential street was also made a toll road you'd find all of those clogged up with people avoiding the tolls. There has been talk of instituting a flat per mile tax, which is viable on newer cars that have OBDII or could use a GPS transponder. --- End quote --- In the US a viable option would be to use the car's own recorded distance travelled up to some point (how tamper safe is this?). However in areas next to neighbouring countries there have to be ways to determine how much distance a car has travelled inside and outside the country. GPS is definitely not an option. Way to easy to spoof nowadays. The US government is working on phasing GPS out for anything that is critical. The EU is going to do the same. |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on November 13, 2021, 11:30:22 pm --- --- Quote ---Certain things are not taxable as a benefit - like accommodation when needed for your job (i.e. oil workers, or a salesman taking a hotel overnight) Electric vehicle charging is included in that. --- End quote --- Electric vehicle charging isn't anything like that! Unless, of course, you need to do it for your job, but traveling to and from work doesn't count. --- End quote --- Well sure, but that's why I was fine with paying for it, although it did still seem a bit trivial to take what was ~0.5% of my salary every month for the charging. But in any case the payments/tax thing for workplace charging is not difficult. Some companies give away free charging. It's like free coffee in the break room. Not everybody drinks coffee, so should they start charging for it? Other companies charge for it. Also fine. Ultimately up to the company. |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: Faringdon on November 14, 2021, 12:00:19 am ---Also, IMHO, i reckon its easier to heat up a small fuel cell for -10degC operation, than heating up a big BEV car battery? --- End quote --- It's not heating the fuel cell itself that's the problem but the temperature of the coupling and the pressure/temperature difference between outside atmosphere and the fuelling process. It necessitates a reduction in fuelling rate when cold. I couldn't explain why. Maybe there is a technical solution, but it's not present in current hydrogen vehicles. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: tom66 on November 14, 2021, 07:05:31 pm --- --- Quote from: Faringdon on November 14, 2021, 12:00:19 am ---Also, IMHO, i reckon its easier to heat up a small fuel cell for -10degC operation, than heating up a big BEV car battery? --- End quote --- It's not heating the fuel cell itself that's the problem but the temperature of the coupling and the pressure/temperature difference between outside atmosphere and the fuelling process. It necessitates a reduction in fuelling rate when cold. I couldn't explain why. Maybe there is a technical solution, but it's not present in current hydrogen vehicles. --- End quote --- Can you provide a reference to this? I can't find anything related to this limitation. This report https://www.osti.gov/pages/servlets/purl/1389635 even seems to show the opposite effect; at low temperatures the filling goes faster. |
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