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Best skill list/gallery format directed to nontechnical people?
« on: November 25, 2024, 06:17:52 pm »
Do you have a good idea how to explain ones skills and expertise to nontechnical people?

My own tend to be either very generic (like mathematics, web tool development) or very specialized (like systems programming, system integration, embedded development, server-side software development, computational materials science, high-performance computing and distributed and parallel simulation development), so nontechnical people really have no idea what I actually do, and thus have no way to gauge my skill/expertise level.

I'm interested in doing something about that.  Currently, I need to spend about 30 minutes to describe examples of various projects I've completed (just a couple of minutes each, but my experience is so very widely spread out I need to list a dozen examples), and I don't like it, because it feels to me like I was asking others to "trust me bro, I know these".  I'd be a bit sceptical when listening someone else describe the same myself, because humans tend to "garnish" their descriptions...

I've mentioned here and elsewhere that I suffer from repeated burnout and related recurring depression, and am and have been unable to work for some time now, so this is definitely not about writing a CV.  That's different.  What I'm interested in is trying to explain my professional background and skill level to ordinary non-technical people.  People like your own parents, your kids, relatives, or your therapist/psychiatrist.  I want to make it easy, efficient, and reliable for them, and save time for everyone.

The only thing that I can think of that I believe works well is some kind of project gallery, describing the stuff in visual terms –– basically a PDF or web page gallery with basically the same content as the 30 minutes description I mentioned above, but one that they can browse through on their own speed and leisure.  Any better ideas?  Any examples of something similar you've found useful/informative?
 

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Re: Best skill list/gallery format directed to nontechnical people?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2024, 06:29:19 pm »
A huge number of people won't only not understand what you do. They won't even grasp that humans are capable of doing those things. They seem to have some notion that designs are handed down from the Gods, and mere mortals just make and sell them. The first time I realised I was talking to someone like that I was really shocked.
 

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2024, 06:54:07 pm »
This is a burden people in this forum share for sure.

In my own life - which is populated almost entirely with non-technical people - about the only time people can relate to what I do is when the end-product is something they can relate too.  For example when I've done the electronics and code for a large art installation, or something like a wildlife monitoring system that they can appreciate or when it has some prestige associated with it (e.g. being used by some big/famous organization).  Or possibly when I create a gadget (like my bluetooth to POTS telephone adapter) that they find fun.  Also they always ohh and ahh when seeing my studio and look at mounds of test equipment and boards with tiny parts on them.  But then they never appreciate or even know how to ask about the details of what I do that *I* find interesting.  I've just learned to live with it (and get satisfaction sharing in online communities).
 

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2024, 07:07:59 pm »
...a book mark I need to put back into the book - The Working class in the Labour Market


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"nobody unapprenticed can choose a challengingly skilled job no matter how much he is prepared to sacrifice  in terms of wages and other work rewards."

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Re: Best skill list/gallery format directed to nontechnical people?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2024, 07:37:22 pm »
Employers are interested stability rather than ability.
Sure; but that's a completely different subject, more related to how to present yourself and your CV to prospective employers.  This is not that.

This is more along "how to put together a portfolio for friends and family interested in what you do", albeit with a tinge on non-employer, non-employment-related professionalism; perhaps "here's what I'm interested in" and "this is the level of my skills and expertise" sort of way.

For example, I'm only a hobbyist on the electronics side, with zero experience on BGA PCB design, but have implemented a few break-out boards and such.  On the other hand, Unix/Linux software, system integration, C development I've done for almost 30 years, with my first paid software development gig over three decades ago.  When I offer my opinion, it would be nice to provide a link, say "I'm only a hobbyist (see my background/portfolio), but", so that others could more effectively decide for themselves what my suggestion is worth to them, as it depends on many things including our relative skill levels and experiences which otherwise take a few paragraphs of text back and forth to establish.  Faster, and more effective, too.

As an example of the stranger stuff I've had my hand in, I actually designed the first set of collector's cards/trading cards for the Finnish Defence Forces in 1997, handed out selectively as swag/memorabilia in military/conscription events as PR.  Included things like F/A 18D card with (public) key performance details on the back side.
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Re: Best skill list/gallery format directed to nontechnical people?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2024, 07:50:12 pm »
A huge number of people won't only not understand what you do. They won't even grasp that humans are capable of doing those things.
I'm painfully aware of this.

A particular example of this from over a decade ago was when a work colleague asked me for a primer/prep on certain Linux appliance tech for an oncoming meeting, and my own boss ended up presenting them to me as a subject matter expert that I should learn from.  I just don't present/exude the expertise I have.  Similarly for my family, who really do not grasp that the only limits to what I can do with/in Linux is time and equipment: anything I can imagine, I can implement.  And I have a vivid imagination.  I just hate the idea of them thinking I'm just boasting and full of hot air, and would rather just let them discover and make up their mind on their own – assuming they care enough to look into it.  (Which I'm fine with.  To some in my family and friends, that kind of stuff just doesn't matter: if your work supports yourself and lets you help others, it is most valuable; to hell with degrees and titles and posturing.)

Ergo, this question.  I do believe this is solvable using some kind of an (interactive? browser-based?) tool these people can use, presenting key points about my expertise.  What kind of tool or presentation that would be, is the key question.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2024, 09:27:28 pm »
“Problem solving skills” and “working in a team” might sound like HR buzz terms to pad out your résumé CV.

But is this what you’re asking for? Generic catch all terms to describe your skill set?

Otherwise if you need specific skills, just state them outright as you have already done.
 

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2024, 10:37:26 pm »
your résumé CV.
Read the post, Andy.  This is explicitly not about CVs or employment or employers.
 

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2024, 02:07:52 am »
   Yup,  I knew right away what approach I like best:

   Commodore64 Memory Bank.
   I'd start by accessing the level of interest, which has a range, from no eye contact, to wide-eyed stare.
   "You know about video games, and how they get real complicated.   Nevermind that.
Commodore64 has what they call a memory bank".

   Then, I'd describe a few details, on how big that is, how it is 256 by 256 if you wish to arrange rows and columns.  Saying that ultimately that isn't a lot.

   Computers do things in tiny tiny steps,  and so you need lots of that 'memory'.

Never mind binary, or codes, or bytes, or...
(That's nerd village,...we won't be going there, tonight.)

   Then, and this is the peak crucial;
Start in with the 'emptyness' of that 64K block,..."Wow,  lookit all those empty boxes!"

   Then, explain that feeling.  "Some folks like it (the expensive field of empty boxes), and...some folks will be scared off...intimidated."

   Then,  wind down.   (Smoke em if you got em).

(Pull a C64 out of the desk drawer from more informal learning.

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2024, 02:14:45 am »
   If you are talking to a relative wanting to know what you do, maybe preface by saying "I put the control stuff in, by programing in."

   THEN, start in with the 64k ram thing.
 

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2024, 01:12:06 pm »
My own tend to be either very generic (like mathematics, web tool development) or very specialized (like systems programming, system integration, embedded development, server-side software development, computational materials science, high-performance computing and distributed and parallel simulation development), so nontechnical people really have no idea what I actually do, and thus have no way to gauge my skill/expertise level.

I'm interested in doing something about that.  Currently, I need to spend about 30 minutes to describe examples of various projects I've completed (just a couple of minutes each, but my experience is so very widely spread out I need to list a dozen examples), and I don't like it, because it feels to me like I was asking others to "trust me bro, I know these".  I'd be a bit sceptical when listening someone else describe the same myself, because humans tend to "garnish" their descriptions...

I'd still think that describing some sample projects is the best way to illustrate your skills. For a non-technical audience, that's bound to feel more "tangible" and relatable than if you try to name and describe the relevant technical disciplines.

Maybe you can plan and trim your project pitch somewhat. I agree that talking about them for 30 minutes is too long and gets you into "I'll tell you more than you ever wanted to know" territory. You don't need to boil it down to a 30-second elevator pitch, but maybe aim for 10 minutes or so of storytelling?

Do you really need to strive for completeness, describing a dozen projects to cover all your core skills? In the informal situations you described, talking to family/friends/acquaintances, I'd think it is enough to give people a good "flavor" of what you do and enjoy, by picking just a few examples.

Also, for each project you may think in advance about the "highlights" you really want to get across. Why might "regular folks" find the project interesting? What was one of the key challenges in designing this? How were you able to solve that -- building on experience you had gained with some earlier project, or was there a key idea or invention required? Again, there is no need for a complete project description in my view, but you just want to give a flavor.

Ah, that's all easily written down... In my personal experience, the main difficulty is not to get carried away with too much detail, or go on tangents into related fields and projects.

Edit: Oh, I forgot to address your actual "portfolio/gallery" suggestion. I am not sure I like it for the specific purpose of an informal outline of what you do. That may again lead you into "more than you ever wanted to know" space: Someone harmlessly asks you what you do, and you get out the laptop and give them a formal presentation. I would first aim for a purely verbal description which can stand on its own.

If you want to put a project website together for a separate audience which wants more details -- e.g. descriptions, schematics and source code for some selected open-source designs you want to share with others -- then that website could also serve to illustrate the projects to non-technical people. But I would only show it upon request, if someone expresses an interest to see a bit more.
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Re: Best skill list/gallery format directed to nontechnical people?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2024, 04:39:17 pm »
In my personal experience, the main difficulty is not to get carried away with too much detail, or go on tangents into related fields and projects.
That is exactly the problem I'm having, too.  What I do now is just not effective; I'm "wasting" their time.

I am not sure I like it for the specific purpose of an informal outline of what you do. That may again lead you into "more than you ever wanted to know" space
Very true.

I've been idly thinking about this further, and making a web-based portfolio, structured around field of interest –– say, visual arts, appliances, software development, software tools, electronics, math, workflows –– instead of a flat list might be the way to go.  Maybe starting with a ring of icons? Each field in their own subdirectory so I could give a direct URL in written text (footnote-style) when appropriate?  I'm not sure.
 

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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2024, 04:58:58 pm »
   Perhaps this:
   An 8 by 11 poster with your name and an announcement at top:
   'JOHN SMITH,  Senior Program Designer,
     Solving Deep Math problems, since 1972'

   With a bit of color and graphic around that announcement,  but dignified.
One approach might be to let the viewer if your resume summary ask their own questions, early on.

   I don't know,  there are perhaps 5 or 6 approaches you could develop.  You might need a keen perception to guide which style to use, at any given scenario.

   There's always possible complete miss, when you try swinging bat at that ball.  You glance up from your notes and no one is watching.
The dog is puking in the corner of the room, and people coming and going.

   Similarly,  I once prepared a couple pages presenting a problem set (in personal stock market participation.
Well, that meeting didn't go so well, when the phone rang.  A kid was in hospital emergency room, and the parent,  my advisor,  scooped up my papers, and left, in a semi-panic!
You couldn't plan for that, totally.

   Best with some component of adventure, or sense of wonder...you can claim those quite quickly,  and pull your listeners in.

  What would that book be;  'Effective Speaking for business and Pleasure'.  Bet there's lots of motivational related books, on how you can approach the current question.

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2024, 05:50:29 pm »
Do you have a good idea how to explain ones skills and expertise to nontechnical people?

If you do something very specific, which falls outside of what constitutes 'general knowledge', then you really can't - and shouldn't try.

For example, one of my key technical skills is FPGA design. What does that mean, to another electronic engineer, or to someone whose own knowledge and skill set is in a completely different area?

An EE probably might ask me what languages I use, or what device families I'm most familiar with. Or, they might at least know what programmable logic is, and ask for a bit more info. That's easy.

But suppose the person I'm talking to is a lawyer, a bricklayer, a sports coach, a medical doctor, or whatever? Changes are I'm talking complete gibberish by mentioning a skill that's highly specific to my profession, and never encountered outside it. In this case I'm much better off explaining the end result of what I do, because that's much more readily understood.

So, I'd explain that what I do is design bespoke electronics for companies that need them, and that I have a laboratory where I design, build and test electronic devices. I produce CAD drawings, software and other technical documents, support my customers in taking those products to production, and then provide ongoing technical support and maintenance until the product reaches the end of its commercial life.

That's a description that doesn't rely on knowing what an FPGA is, or that I use a particular CAD tool, or know SPICE, or whatever. More often than not, my customers don't care about these things and nor do my friends and family. They're more interested in the end result of what I do, not the details of how I do these things.


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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2024, 06:06:25 pm »
Good points.

It is quite possible the underlying problem I have is that I feel overly annoyed and insecure when non-technical people in my life do not appreciate my abilities, skill, and expertise.  It would also explain –– in combination with my verbosity –– why I go into too much detail when explaining what I have done and can do.

The problem of explaining my background and experience to nontechnical people (not employers), effectively and concisely, still remains though.

I'd also like to find how to concisely explain my background and knowledge as a web page for when I'm giving advice to others, for context so they can decide what value if any my advice has for themselves.  I'd really like that kind of "find out for yourself" approach, and "I'm just a hobbyist" isn't very descriptive.
 

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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2024, 07:01:32 pm »
The problem of explaining my background and experience to nontechnical people (not employers), effectively and concisely, still remains though.

I'd also like to find how to concisely explain my background and knowledge as a web page for when I'm giving advice to others, for context so they can decide what value if any my advice has for themselves.  I'd really like that kind of "find out for yourself" approach, and "I'm just a hobbyist" isn't very descriptive.

If I understand you correctly, you have two different scenarios in mind: (a) Having some materials which can support the description you give in a conversation, and (b) a "self-service" website which can speak for itself. I am wondering whether one portfolio can serve both purposes well, or whether they are best kept separate?

For scenario (a) you probably want something pretty concise -- maybe just a few pictures per project or area, which you can go through wo illustrate what you are talking about. That would ensure that it still feels informal, not like an official presentation. And you can adjust your verbal presentation depending on the level of interest in certain areas. Keep the information density limited; it might be concenient if you can show this on a mobile phone when the topic comes up spontaneously.

For (b), you probably need text, diagrams, more pictures, to enable visitors to explore on their own. Also, I expect this would often address a more technical audience? Depending on your target audience, you can probably assume that people will sit in front of a proper computer screen when viewing it, and hence have more space to work with. (Although it would be nice if it can also be viewed on a phone, if you expect to occasionally interact with people below the age of 30. ;)

Some form of "progressive disclosure" for (b) would still be good: Let visitors skim the projects, let them dive deeper where a topic catches their interest. But it seems to me that even the top level of a website for scenario (b) would need different information than what you would want to show in scenario (a).
 

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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2024, 07:03:10 pm »
I'd still think that describing some sample projects is the best way to illustrate your skills. For a non-technical audience, that's bound to feel more "tangible"

Sure, but this doesn't usually end well. For example, if you explain how you developed an autonomous mobile robot platform from scratch, then they say "Oh! I know, the neighbor's son does that thing too!" and it turns out they bought a robot and turned it on or something. And your mom won't understand the difference. Except just barely maybe after the 30-minute lecture Nominal originally mentioned. I don't think it can be optimized to anything simpler.

Sometimes I do the "trust me bro" thing, it's surprisingly effective, possibly more effective than trying to squeeze that 30-minute lecture into 5 minutes. I mean, in every American action movie there is this "I have no time to explain, trust me on this" part and it always works in the movies, but it can work nearly as well in real life. At least you don't lose anything.

But in the end, I don't care that much. One of the key points is to accept your own superiority and also accept that trying to explain it to laymen is so complicated task and most likely ends up them not understanding it anyway, or thinking about it as unnecessary egoism, boasting (and they would be probably right!) that... Better just to keep it between those who understand, and for example this forum is an excellent place for that.

I mean, even my wife does not have completely clear understanding of what I do daily. My coworkers probably know better. And many frequent contributors on this forum as well. But those who are really close to you will build intuitive understanding and respect anyway even without knowing all the details.
 
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2024, 08:03:50 pm »
So, perhaps a rather controversial response, but I mean it constructively and it's shaped by my own life experiences.

You've made it clear that you are not talking about selling your skills to a prospective employer, so this is solely about explaining what you can do, and have done, to your friends and family.

My question is: is this for your benefit or their benefit?  Do they actually care? Are they really all that interested?  I ask this because in general I don't think people care that much about someone else's past achievements, nor do they wish for an in-depth appreciation of exactly what you can do.  In general people like you or not, admire you or not, based on their day-to-day interactions with you.  Are you good company? Do you make good conversation? Can they have a laugh with you?

They soon learn at a high level where your interests lie, and that gives them some idea of where you might be able to help them. For example, I've been a hobbyist watch and clock repairer for the past 45 years, and I'm a past chairman of the British Horological Institute.  That is probably the limit of what people know, and it is sufficient for them to think of me whenever they want a clock repairing, or advice on what make of watch to buy.  They have no inkling of all the technical things I have achieved, what I have written, what I have innovated. They don't need to know, don't really care, and wouldn't understand it anyway. 

Does that matter?  No, I don't think so - not at all.

You wrote:
"I've been idly thinking about this further, and making a web-based portfolio, structured around field of interest –– say, visual arts, appliances, software development, software tools, electronics, math, workflows –– instead of a flat list might be the way to go.  Maybe starting with a ring of icons? Each field in their own subdirectory so I could give a direct URL in written text (footnote-style) when appropriate?  I'm not sure."

Have you ever been interested enough in another person to ask them for a web-based portfolio along the lines you describe? I bet you haven't.  Let's say you met a lawyer socially.  What level of detail about her specific skills and achievements would you want? I imagine you would ask her what field of law she worked in, and maybe spend five minutes talking around that.  What you would not want is to make her list her academic qualifications, list her five or ten highest profile cases, list her favourite wins and most dreaded losses, explain in detail what she contributes to her chosen field of work.  People just don't do that sort of thing.

I think if you prepared a personal portfolio like you have described, nobody will ever bother to look at it.

Back to the question: are you doing this for friends and family or for yourself?  There are two things to say about that latter reason.  Firstly, I, too, have been tempted to write something along the lines you describe, but only for myself.  It can be most uplifting and fulfilling to review the things in life you are most proud of. If you are like me, you will recall achievements that were long forgotten.  Also, I think it is valuable to explore the things you got wrong, and even things you are ashamed of (I have loads of those). Those are the things we learn our lessons from.  By contemplating my past mistakes and my bad behaviour as a young man I genuinely am a better person for it: more thoughtful, more careful.

Secondly, if you are anything like me, you (perhaps secretly) want to be admired and appreciated by others for your achievements. In other words, you need the admiration and respect of others as a form of validation.  Knowing you are really smart and accomplished isn't enough; you need others to know it, too.

I don't know you, but I know myself, and I think what I have just described is true for many people, most probably including yourself.  Unfortunately, having someone tell you how smart and accomplished they are is pretty disagreeable.  Nobody wants to hear it.  It can come across as boasting, which nobody likes. It can come across as self-absorbed and more interested in yourself than other people.  And if you leave it to them to read your portfolio if they choose, they won't read it.  They aren't that interested and they wouldn't understand it anyway.

In summary, I would think hard about why you want to do this. I suspect you are looking for validation: knowing how smart and accomplished you are isn't enough - you need others to know it, too, and to respect and admire you for your skills and achievements.  Your proposed solution won't work because nobody is all that interested, especially in things they don't understand or can't relate to. Also, there is a risk that it will come across as boasting, or being overly smug and self-satisfied at how smart you are.  Nobody likes that in a person.

The real solution seems to be reducing your need for validation. I haven't managed that yet so I'm not one to offer advice! 😄 However, I have found that writing down a summary of my life, concentrating on the skills I've acquired, my achievements, the lessons I have learned, is itself a great boost to my self-esteem and reminds me that my life has largely been one of success, personal growth and fulfillment.

Perhaps the answer is to write this portfolio for yourself first.  Only when you have done that should you consider whether to share it with others, and how to do that.
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Re: Best skill list/gallery format directed to nontechnical people?
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2024, 08:35:41 pm »
did you have this presentation about your technical activities before or after the discussion about the latest gossip, the new car from the neighbors and how it compares to yours, the holidays, how well the children do in school and how they are all highly intelligent all have ADHD, ADD,VCC and GND,... . Did you also listen to these with wide eyes? That's how much people care about your technical capabilities. 0.0
 

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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2024, 08:49:06 pm »
   Sorry if I mis-read the original post, but I had gotten the impression that it was a room full of relatives, at holiday get togethers.
Question for you, when they ask;  "So what is you do, in computers,...uncle...?"

   A half hour presentation sounds more formal and planned ahead of time.

   As others have stated, here,  might be best to just stay where you are, on a scale of expertise, that many folks aren't capable of meaningful exposure.

   'Marcy',  a sister in-law,  responded, when I mentioned 'Engineering department Quality Control guy',  with;
   "So how hard is that job, as English department Quality Control specialist ?"

Couldn't even convey the word, 'Engineer' properly.  So the rest of (your) efforts are really a waste of time.  Better to just talk office things, like "Boss likes me, mostly."

But I do think that a half-hour presentation is more formal, that your audience needs to show up, etc.
 

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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2024, 08:53:13 pm »
Yes, it might not be pleasing, but as some have pointed out, fact is, most people won't care whatsoever. It's not that they don't care about you, but many don't care about what they're not directly interested in. Especially when it's technical.
So no amount of effort will really help.
I think the best bet though is to present your skills in the highest level possible, not getting into any detail, so, focusing on the end results and not on the how. Show people what you have done and what you can do, but not how. That may not look like you're really exposing your skills, but that's what has the higher probability of not annoying them.
 
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2024, 09:04:03 pm »
   What I COULD SEE, right today, is yourself giving a half-hour presentation, to a younger classroom setting.  Practically that might be as a volunteer.
   Wouldn't hurt, to have a brief chitchat with some local parent's group member or school teacher, to check if they will host you to come speak.   The reason I say that is,  a group of kids don't always have pre-formed prejudices and feel excited in (your) presence...that is if you are really good at what you do.

   That at least is a worthwhile volunteer gig, that helps you focus and get some feedback.
 

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Re: Best skill list/gallery format directed to nontechnical people?
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2024, 10:01:09 pm »
People seem to intuit how smart you are without you having to tell them.  In fact, modesty is one of the most admired qualities in a person.  Don't throw that away.
 
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Re: Best skill list/gallery format directed to nontechnical people?
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2024, 10:39:41 pm »
Some form of "progressive disclosure" for (b) would still be good: Let visitors skim the projects, let them dive deeper where a topic catches their interest.
Absolutely.  And as visual and non-technical as possible.

What I COULD SEE, right today, is yourself giving a half-hour presentation, to a younger classroom setting.  Practically that might be as a volunteer.
I've actually done that (successfully).  Before the COVID epidemic, I had a Linux laptop triage/help session at the student lounge at the local university.  (I had written the Python application that verifies the user against the Uni AD, and creates the matching local user, so that they could just hand off the laptops in bulk – sponsored by the uni for a 100€ deposit – and had direct access to the current Linux IT support staff.)  Basically, I told them they could ask me anything about Linux, or about the laptops; and I could help with bugs and problems, at least by triaging them so that they'd get precise help when admin access was required (which I did not have, except for my own laptop, one of the same models and installations).

Sure, but this doesn't usually end well. For example, if you explain how you developed an autonomous mobile robot platform from scratch, then they say "Oh! I know, the neighbor's son does that thing too!" and it turns out they bought a robot and turned it on or something. And your mom won't understand the difference.
Exactly.

My question is: is this for your benefit or their benefit?
Mine, absolutely.  I don't want to waste their time when they're not really interested, just want the information available if they happen to care.  If they don't, and they repeat the mistake, I can point out the mistake and go on and forget about it.  I don't need them to know, I need them to have a way to find out for themselves if they want to know, and a way for me to point to if their understanding of me does not match observable results.

You know, as in "Heh, that's not it.  If you really want to know, look here <showing website>" and then continue in good mood, no harm done.

Currently, that kind of mistakes stymie me, because I really don't know what is the appropriate social response/action, and leads to awkward pauses..

They soon learn at a high level where your interests lie, and that gives them some idea of where you might be able to help them. For example, I've been a hobbyist watch and clock repairer for the past 45 years, and I'm a past chairman of the British Horological Institute.  That is probably the limit of what people know, and it is sufficient for them to think of me whenever they want a clock repairing, or advice on what make of watch to buy.  They have no inkling of all the technical things I have achieved, what I have written, what I have innovated. They don't need to know, don't really care, and wouldn't understand it anyway.
Ah, but I have no such label myself, at all.  Even though I've done subject matter courses in computational materials physics somewhere between a MS and PhD, helped about a dozen others with their thesis works, I myself have no degree, not even a BSc (a BSc wasn't necessary back when I started, one could directly go for a MS).  This means only the "They have no inkling of all the technical things I have achieved, what I have written, what I have innovated." part applies to myself.

Have you ever been interested enough in another person to ask them for a web-based portfolio along the lines you describe? I bet you haven't.
"Web-based portfolio", no.  Website, yes; often.  (Not Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/X and such; but mailing lists, questions and answers in public, any website on their interests if they happen to have one, definitely yes.)  In fact, I do tend to look up people on the net on my own, if we share a common area of interest.

But you are on point on exactly why I want to avoid the 30-minute talks, too: I don't want to waste their time, either.  It would suffice if the information useful to these non-technical family and friends and acquintances was out there somewhere so I could point to it, and avert/ignore the mistake.

What you would not want is to make her list her academic qualifications, list her five or ten highest profile cases, list her favourite wins and most dreaded losses, explain in detail what she contributes to her chosen field of work.  People just don't do that sort of thing.
No, which is why I'm so adamant about this not being a CV thing, but more about .. uh, focus? interests? .. but in a way that allows them to form an opinion on my skills and knowledge.

I'd definitely ask her about what kind of disputes she finds most engaging, in the abstract.  I might discuss patent law issues and EU legal stance regarding open source and such, if she was interested in that.  I often end up discussing workflows and tools, and the related quirks across the globe; for example, the role of fax machines and "legal papers" in different jurisdictions.  This is very natural to me, and seems to "work" well in practice.

Firstly, I, too, have been tempted to write something along the lines you describe, but only for myself.
I've tried a couple of times, but it isn't useful enough to motivate me to do it properly.

Also, I think it is valuable to explore the things you got wrong, and even things you are ashamed of (I have loads of those). Those are the things we learn our lessons from.
Absolutely.  I've even learned not to dwell on them per se, but consider what I now know and how I would handle a similar situation now; what the differences are and why.  (This is important, because dwelling on the past is not healthy; one needs to accept history as it is, and use it as a learning experience; and, with the experience, do better now and in the future.)

Secondly, if you are anything like me, you (perhaps secretly) want to be admired and appreciated by others for your achievements. In other words, you need the admiration and respect of others as a form of validation.  Knowing you are really smart and accomplished isn't enough; you need others to know it, too.
Of course!

To be precise, I do not need others to know it per se; it is more that others seem to assume otherwise, too often for my liking.
I'd like to react to that by dismissing their assumption by pointing out where they can find out if they care, and move on.

Feeling my skills and expertise validated tends to come from helping other technical people, not from "everybody".  So, while it is absolutely true that I do need admiration, respect, validation, on the skill/expertise front that comes from other technical people, not from the nontechnical family and friends.

if you leave it to them to read your portfolio if they choose, they won't read it.  They aren't that interested and they wouldn't understand it anyway.
Agreed.  Any kind of traditional portfolio is definitely out.  And it's not something I'd tell people about unless they asked about my experience/skills/expertise.

People seem to intuit how smart you are without you having to tell them.
My experience indicates otherwise.  I seem to surprise people extremely often, even with family members who have known me all my life still being surprised every now and then and telling me "I never knew you could do that" or "I never knew you knew that".
 

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Re: Best skill list/gallery format directed to nontechnical people?
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2024, 10:41:32 pm »
I attached a picture of what I think best describes non-technical people's approach to the topic at hand.

During my initial college years, an old(er) relative asked me whether I work on washing machines. Since it was the early years, I was able to get away with the "we are now just dealing with the courses" kind of answer.

Later on, after BS and MS degrees, I found a job in software industry which shaped the rest of my career. Then the questions turned into "can you fix my computer" to which I replied along the lines of "I work on server software" and then having to explain the server as "you know, the big computers at the bank's headquarters" (one example).

In recent years, the questions are in the form of "can you take a look at my phone" or "can you fix my phone". The approach is similar.

It's been a long time since I did stop doing software development in a professional sense, so these days I just try to avoid any questions relating to either field (even if it means staying away from such people).
 
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