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| Psi:
--- Quote from: Someone on January 07, 2023, 02:50:25 am ---If you paid for product(s) with free delivery, there is no defensible way they can "add" imaginary value to the shipment. --- End quote --- Yes, there is. The value of the shipment is the value of the goods plus the value of the shipping (in some countries). But more importantly, the value is usually defined something like "the fair market value" Therefore, if you didn't pay the shipping (free shipping) then you got a discount, but that doesn't effect the value of the shipment. They do it this way because they need to be able to inspect the goods and check if the value is legit. If for example you buy something with a 70% discount (and only paid 30% of the value of the item) the customs value of the shipment is still the full value not the discounted value. If the customs value was the value you paid then it would incentives fake invoices showing a discount to reduce import fees and import customs dept wouldn't be able to know by looking at the item if it was a totally legit discount or a fake discount. So they have the rule that the customs value of a shipped item is the fair market value of the item, not the discounted value. It makes it simple to check if the declared value makes sense just by looking at an item and searching to see how much its normally worth. So, the real question is, is free shipping a discount or did you just pay for the shipping a different way, as part of the value of the items. In which case you didn't get a discount and the fair market value of the item is what you paid and nothing else should be added. |
| thm_w:
--- Quote from: Someone on January 07, 2023, 12:08:39 am --- --- Quote from: thm_w on January 06, 2023, 11:09:45 pm --- --- Quote from: Someone on January 06, 2023, 10:05:51 pm --- --- Quote from: Psi on January 05, 2023, 09:55:10 am ---Did you pay the shipping cost as something incorporated into the cost of all the goods you bought. (You could argue the seller will be making their goods more expensive to cover free shipping) --- End quote --- Digikey also marks up for foreign destinations (fill a cart in USD to a US address, then do another in USD to a non US address) so "free" shipping is a marketing thing and the prices most certainly are increased to cover the costs. --- End quote --- Yeah, general shipping, but also can include duties, customs clearance, and currency conversions. Example part is 10.20 USD on .com or 15.86 CAD on .ca, roughly a 16% increase in price. Just wildly guessing the average order might be $140, so ~$22 markup. --- End quote --- For example digikey are not offering DDP terms to Australia unlike say mouser, so clearance and duties/taxes are all paid by the recipient to the courier. Currency conversion is a non-starter too as that cost is paid by the customer (digikey receiving USD). So any markup is for international drama/support and most of all; shipping. --- End quote --- Why are you saying "currency conversion is a non-starter". On the AUD site don't you pay in AUD? At least thats what I see if I add an item to the cart. I pay in CAD on the CAD site. It looks like the AUD markup is a lot lower, ~6%, so it makes some sense that less services are supplied. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: thm_w on January 09, 2023, 09:55:28 pm --- --- Quote from: Someone on January 07, 2023, 12:08:39 am --- --- Quote from: thm_w on January 06, 2023, 11:09:45 pm --- --- Quote from: Someone on January 06, 2023, 10:05:51 pm --- --- Quote from: Psi on January 05, 2023, 09:55:10 am ---Did you pay the shipping cost as something incorporated into the cost of all the goods you bought. (You could argue the seller will be making their goods more expensive to cover free shipping) --- End quote --- Digikey also marks up for foreign destinations (fill a cart in USD to a US address, then do another in USD to a non US address) so "free" shipping is a marketing thing and the prices most certainly are increased to cover the costs. --- End quote --- Yeah, general shipping, but also can include duties, customs clearance, and currency conversions. Example part is 10.20 USD on .com or 15.86 CAD on .ca, roughly a 16% increase in price. Just wildly guessing the average order might be $140, so ~$22 markup. --- End quote --- For example digikey are not offering DDP terms to Australia unlike say mouser, so clearance and duties/taxes are all paid by the recipient to the courier. Currency conversion is a non-starter too as that cost is paid by the customer (digikey receiving USD). So any markup is for international drama/support and most of all; shipping. --- End quote --- Why are you saying "currency conversion is a non-starter". On the AUD site don't you pay in AUD? At least thats what I see if I add an item to the cart. I pay in CAD on the CAD site. It looks like the AUD markup is a lot lower, ~6%, so it makes some sense that less services are supplied. --- End quote --- The markup on currency conversion/risk is another variable, but digikey let most (all?) regions pay in USD (as do Mouser etc). I pointed out the example people can try, by building a cart in the same USD, but to different locales. The additional "international" margin on digikey for Australia seems to be a few % just for postage (invoicing appears to be identical to US domestic orders, but there may be an electronic lodgement through the carrier). If you pay CAD on the Canadian site you are probably adding in another few % in their fees. Example: US/USD 242.04 CA/USD 242.04 CA/CAD 356.88 (266.59 USD) AU/USD 251.76 AU/AUD 372.48 (257.55 USD) currency conversions above are live/actual at current transaction rate with reasonable network/broker. No idea why the CAD pricing has such a large difference that does not line up with a tax rate [edit, but it was tax as the difference CPT vs DDP]. |
| tooki:
Be careful when ordering from vendors that offer payment in different currencies: it may affect incoterms! For example, there are/were various countries where Digi-Key ships with DDP incoterms when paying in the local currency, but CPT when paying in USD. In many cases, it also depends on which shipping carrier you choose. Same with Mouser. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: tooki on January 10, 2023, 07:53:54 am ---Be careful when ordering from vendors that offer payment in different currencies: it may affect incoterms! For example, there are/were various countries where Digi-Key ships with DDP incoterms when paying in the local currency, but CPT when paying in USD. In many cases, it also depends on which shipping carrier you choose. Same with Mouser. --- End quote --- Looks like the Canada example above is digikey changing between CPT and DDP (not as obviously shown as Mouser). |
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