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tooki:

--- Quote from: MadScientist on January 13, 2023, 04:47:32 pm ---Free postage from outside the eu never includes customs duty or vat as thd supplier cannot determine in advance what the clearance costs will be. Mouser is very unusual in this ss they do groupage bulk clearance ( is they do not import the orders into the eu seperately) hence they swallow that cost on a total consignment basis which is far better

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Mouser is far from alone in doing that, because it’s not unknowable. I’m sure it’s anything but trivial to set up, but it is doable. Then it’s shipped precleared so that the carrier does not have to collect any VAT or duty.
thm_w:

--- Quote from: Terry Bites on January 13, 2023, 04:12:17 pm ---They think they're a branch of governement and can arbitrarily slap on uncalculated random duty and VAT.
Not just VAT on the goods but the postage as well. Between EU and UK they are hitting both sender and reciever for VAT on postage.
Thats got to be a crime? (But not as criminal as brexit).

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- There is a way to contest the value for royal mail, there may be a similar process for fedex: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1108962/BOR286-English-09-22.pdf
- As Madscientist and I have previously noted, you can declare your own value and clear customs yourself, but it may be a fair amount of effort.
MadScientist:

--- Quote from: tooki on January 13, 2023, 05:31:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: MadScientist on January 13, 2023, 04:47:32 pm ---Free postage from outside the eu never includes customs duty or vat as thd supplier cannot determine in advance what the clearance costs will be. Mouser is very unusual in this ss they do groupage bulk clearance ( is they do not import the orders into the eu seperately) hence they swallow that cost on a total consignment basis which is far better

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Mouser is far from alone in doing that, because it’s not unknowable. I’m sure it’s anything but trivial to set up, but it is doable. Then it’s shipped precleared so that the carrier does not have to collect any VAT or duty.

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Actually while not that diffult the rules for DDP are quite restrictive and anyway only apply upto €135. After that you are forced to post clear.

In order to do what mouser are doing you must have a financial entity registered in the eU hence for small foreign suppliers ddp or mouser style groupage simply isn’t legally possible.  In fact the costs are are such that you need a big foreign import activity to justify it ( if you have substantial EU source and supply it doesn’t work )

Hence it’s not a catch all solution nor is ddp.
MadScientist:

--- Quote from: thm_w on January 13, 2023, 10:29:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: Terry Bites on January 13, 2023, 04:12:17 pm ---They think they're a branch of governement and can arbitrarily slap on uncalculated random duty and VAT.
Not just VAT on the goods but the postage as well. Between EU and UK they are hitting both sender and reciever for VAT on postage.
Thats got to be a crime? (But not as criminal as brexit).

--- End quote ---

- There is a way to contest the value for royal mail, there may be a similar process for fedex: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1108962/BOR286-English-09-22.pdf
- As Madscientist and I have previously noted, you can declare your own value and clear customs yourself, but it may be a fair amount of effort.

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The very best way is to have a tiny trade ( ie I sell a few pcbs to friends ) hence I registered for vat. Since I mainly sell into the uk , I only have vat reclaim activity , every two months the gov sends me a nice bank transfer 7 days after my online vat return , the gov drops the vat into my bank account !!

The online vat return takes me 10-15 minutes every 8 weeks easy stuff. I can reclaim all  vat against the business costs. ( test gear , lab costs etc )

I do this as a sole trader so reporting requirements are easy
MadScientist:

--- Quote from: Terry Bites on January 13, 2023, 04:12:17 pm ---Yep, I've been Fu***d over by fedex buying from PCB way.
Way more than double the package value.
I hate them nearly as much as DHL. (OK, not as badly)

They think they're a branch of governement and can arbitrarily slap on uncalculated random duty and VAT.
Not just VAT on the goods but the postage as well. Between EU and UK they are hitting both sender and reciever for VAT on postage.
Thats got to be a crime? (But not as criminal as brexit).

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You understand that postage and Courir /shipping is a eu vatable service
 Hence vat must be added to the cost where the shipping originated outside the EU by the eu based final carrier , how is this a “ crime “ it’s the EI wide vat law

FedEx are not a branch oh gov they are legally obliged to recover vat end of story no different  then when you buy a beer you pay the bar vat  and they remit that

So that’s why vat is added to the shipping costs. It’s fully legal and correct

Custom clearance charges however are unregulated and this is certainly an area the EU needs to get involved in , there should be eu wide fixed custom clearance charges for say sub €10000 shipments handles without special clearances procedures
 
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