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Biden admin moving forward with light bulb bans in coming weeks
Nusa:
Seems like everyone has forgotten the original post was written on April 1st.
Simon:
--- Quote from: Nusa on April 07, 2023, 07:49:34 pm ---Seems like everyone has forgotten the original post was written on April 1st.
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some jokes just are not jokes, you can't just laugh at stupid these days, as stupid becomes more dangerous. Democracy rules that the majority are right. I think it's fairly well established that the majority are stupid. I don't want my life run by people less intelligent than myself.
helius:
I think the timing on April 1st is coincidental this time (not every thread on April 1st is a hoax or joke).
Major bulb retailers like 1000bulbs.com have categories for items that will be banned effective June 2023.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: Xena E on April 07, 2023, 06:49:18 pm ---The elephant in the room is that there are just far too many of the problem species on the planet.
That species exponential population increase became long term unsustainable many centuries ago. The process is accelerating, and an opportunity for an effective natural cull has just been missed...
Yeah, the planet will be OK ...
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You're mistaken. It's not possible to extrapolate current trends so far into the future.
As countries become more technologically advanced, birth rates fall, quite often to the point when the population declines, rather than grows. It has happened in the West and in rich Asian countries such as Japan and now China. If the rest of the world is allowed to catch up, the same will happen there too. Policies which severely restrict economic growth in the West will have a knock effect on poorer countries with high birth rates, retarding growth there and putting off any fall in birth rate into the future.
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--- Quote from: Zero999 on April 07, 2023, 06:45:38 pm ---
I'm all for conservation and not polluting the planet, but the scare stories are bogus. People want power and manufacturing crises, is a great opportunity to grab more. The last three years has taught me to be very sceptical of "the science" because it's been we've been manipulated and lied to so much by the authorities and mainstream media. Political activism has infected many academic institutions it's difficult to know fact from fiction. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those who thinks anthropogenic climate change is a conspiracy theory, but it's not as bad as the authorities lead is to believe.
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You mention "the science" once and you did not mean actual science. What the last 3 years taught us is that we cannot trust "the authorities" or "main stream media", well we sort of knew that already. It was also clear that over the last 3 years there was a battle of politicians wanting the science to say what they wanted it to while the scientists tried to keep their jobs. Scientists don't actually make the decisions, politicians do on their advice. Have you ever tried advising a non technical senior to do something they don't really want to do or that will cost a lot for their department or whatever? that was the story of my last job and even in this current job I can only advise, it is for the salesmen to decide what they want even if it is flying unicorns.
The next problem you have is people, they are just dumb stupid people that are under the illusion that scientists are some sort of all seeing beings and that they should have known anything that comes to light with "hindsight".
Most of the reasons for not pursuing a policy are about the abstract concept of economics. That system that allows people with money to stay that way and those without to just survive without and nothing must change or those that don't want to pay have to and those that can't afford it get to have it. It's job is not to solve any other problem other than maintain the status quo and keep the people who can make some real noise happy. This is generally the big decider behind any "political" decision, nothing to do with actual science.
There are plenty of things we can do differently, just differently, but people don't want to, people don't like change. People still think that electric cars are slow...... Is there a reason in 2023 why people should believe such a fallacy other than - because they want to because it justifies their resistance to change- ? I'm not asking them to buy one, just to stop being ignorant.
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I used the term "the science" because it's what politicians have said to justify authoritarian policies in the past.
Science should involve questioning everything. The problem is it's no longer possible to do that. Plenty of scientists have tried to warn the government their draconian policies would do more harm than good, yet were subject to censorship. Governments put pressure on social media companies to censor things they felt were harmful, under the guise of suppressing misinformation. Politics is no longer separate from science. Universities have become breeding grounds for political activism. Funding is denied to research because it might yield "inconvenient" results.
tooki:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on April 07, 2023, 09:00:52 pm ---Politics is no longer separate from science.
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When has this not been the case? I mean, back when politics and religion were one and the same, they literally murdered, banished, or imprisoned scientists under the guise of “heresy”.
--- Quote from: Zero999 on April 07, 2023, 09:00:52 pm ---Universities have become breeding grounds for political activism.
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Aside from the fact that political activism has always been one aspect of academia, since both academia and politics exist in the same universe, I don’t think there’s actually any evidence to support claims of this being more so now than in the past (as the wording “have become” implies). The only thing I see as having changed is that now a certain segment of the population has their knickers in a twist about it, having been whipped to a froth by disingenuous “news”casters and social media fearmongers.
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