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Biden admin moving forward with light bulb bans in coming weeks
Xena E:
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--- Quote from: Xena E on April 07, 2023, 06:49:18 pm ---The elephant in the room is that there are just far too many of the problem species on the planet.
That species exponential population increase became long term unsustainable many centuries ago. The process is accelerating, and an opportunity for an effective natural cull has just been missed...
Yeah, the planet will be OK ...
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You're mistaken. It's not possible to extrapolate current trends so far into the future.
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I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear:
I'm not trying to extrapolate what will happen in the future... its already to late IMO.
All that mankind has ever done is find new and more efficient ways to f*ck up. Human impact on the environment can only effectively be controlled by occasional plagues and mass genocides as has happened in the past. Humankind is too successful.
Legislation of governments where ever in the world is solely to control the proletariat and do what's best for themselves.
I personally believe that anyone who promotes themselves and their ideas of how others should live are just screwing over those they brainwash.
I didn't start the fire, I haven't got the answers, I want my slice of the pie, I want to live in relative affluence and comfort. If theres a way within that mantra that I can cause less impact on my surroundings, bring it on.
But if I'm told by some schemer or politico how I have to live my life when they live in greater luxtury and extravagance than I then I get pissed.
There's a chance I may survive another fifty times round the sun if I'm fortunate... then I won't care will I.
The world will be OK without me, is a perfect truth, it will.
I don't see that my or anyone else running a couple of filament lamps over their office desk, workbench and lounge recliner is going to make a sh*ts worth of difference to ecology. I have a neighbour who bangs on incessantly about this kind of thing, he flew in a rage when I pointed out that changing his (bad) driving style would have more beneficial effect than my saving a couple hundred watts of power for some of my lighting.
The world is run by popular opinion and as is already concluded, popular opinions are usually stupid...
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Zero999:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 07, 2023, 09:38:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on April 07, 2023, 09:00:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xena E on April 07, 2023, 06:49:18 pm ---The elephant in the room is that there are just far too many of the problem species on the planet.
That species exponential population increase became long term unsustainable many centuries ago. The process is accelerating, and an opportunity for an effective natural cull has just been missed...
Yeah, the planet will be OK ...
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You're mistaken. It's not possible to extrapolate current trends so far into the future.
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Population *growth* is declining in many countries, even in Africa, with some latency. In a few decades from now, it won't be nearly what it is now, that's almost a guarantee.
And yes, the planet will be OK. It has survived much worse. The question is about us, not about the planet. Are we going to be OK in a few centuries from now? I have no clue.
But is the planet going to be OK? That's for sure. The planet doesn't care about our shit.
We keep saying "the planet" as if to avoid explicitely saying that all we care about is actually us, and it hasn't changed, it's just gotten much worse. We only care about our fricking destiny.
Let's leave "the planet" alone and start being honest. It has never been about anything else than us, and is unlikely to ever be about anything else until it's too late for us.
Claming we care and are going to save "the planet" is just bullshit. We are just trying to save ourselves, and not all of us either. :popcorn:
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I'm far more worried about direct threats to humans, posed by other humans such as war and bad policies imposed on us by our leaders, than our unintentional impact on the environment, making the world uninhabitable for humans. The fact is rich countries have managed to minimise their environmental impact quite well. Again policies which limit economic growth, will be worse for the environment in the long run because they will keep people poor.
--- Quote from: tooki on April 07, 2023, 09:27:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on April 07, 2023, 09:00:52 pm ---Politics is no longer separate from science.
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When has this not been the case? I mean, back when politics and religion were one and the same, they literally murdered, banished, or imprisoned scientists under the guise of “heresy”.
--- Quote from: Zero999 on April 07, 2023, 09:00:52 pm ---Universities have become breeding grounds for political activism.
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Aside from the fact that political activism has always been one aspect of academia, since both academia and politics exist in the same universe, I don’t think there’s actually any evidence to support claims of this being more so now than in the past (as the wording “have become” implies). The only thing I see as having changed is that now a certain segment of the population has their knickers in a twist about it, having been whipped to a froth by disingenuous “news”casters and social media fearmongers.
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The difference is now it's skewed to one side of the political spectrum. Academic freedom in countries such as the US and UK has been in severe decline over the last few years. It's a worldwide problem, but the decline in the previously most free countries is the most concerning aspect of this trend.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/significant-declines-us-and-uk-academic-freedom-ranking
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: Xena E on April 08, 2023, 12:34:23 pm ---I don't see that my or anyone else running a couple of filament lamps over their office desk, workbench and lounge recliner is going to make a sh*ts worth of difference to ecology. I have a neighbour who bangs on incessantly about this kind of thing, he flew in a rage when I pointed out that changing his (bad) driving style would have more beneficial effect than my saving a couple hundred watts of power for some of my lighting.
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But it's not about your lighting. It's about your lighting.. and tens of millions of others.
Your stubbornness is merely proof that change on meaningful scale cannot be made quickly without using force.
coppice:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:21:05 pm ---Your stubbornness is merely proof that change on meaningful scale cannot be made quickly without using force.
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The age old justification used by authoritarians everywhere. If you can't get the vast majority to consent to a good idea well explained, maybe it wasn't so great after all.
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 01:25:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:21:05 pm ---Your stubbornness is merely proof that change on meaningful scale cannot be made quickly without using force.
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The age old justification used by authoritarians everywhere. If you can't get the vast majority to consent to a good idea well explained, maybe it wasn't so great after all.
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I think you overestimate the intelligence of the vast majority.
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