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Biden admin moving forward with light bulb bans in coming weeks
Zero999:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:40:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 01:25:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:21:05 pm ---Your stubbornness is merely proof that change on meaningful scale cannot be made quickly without using force.
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The age old justification used by authoritarians everywhere. If you can't get the vast majority to consent to a good idea well explained, maybe it wasn't so great after all.
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I think you overestimate the intelligence of the vast majority.
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But the majority of people are moving away from incandescent lighting anyway.
There's no point in these silly authoritarian laws.
coppice:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:40:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 01:25:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:21:05 pm ---Your stubbornness is merely proof that change on meaningful scale cannot be made quickly without using force.
--- End quote ---
The age old justification used by authoritarians everywhere. If you can't get the vast majority to consent to a good idea well explained, maybe it wasn't so great after all.
--- End quote ---
I think you overestimate the intelligence of the vast majority.
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I think you overestimate your own intelligence. Especially your ability to spot all the consequences of your actions ahead of time. There's a reason free markets work best. They may suck in many ways, but they are way ahead of some idiot who thinks they know best.
Xena E:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:21:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xena E on April 08, 2023, 12:34:23 pm ---I don't see that my or anyone else running a couple of filament lamps over their office desk, workbench and lounge recliner is going to make a sh*ts worth of difference to ecology. I have a neighbour who bangs on incessantly about this kind of thing, he flew in a rage when I pointed out that changing his (bad) driving style would have more beneficial effect than my saving a couple hundred watts of power for some of my lighting.
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But it's not about your lighting. It's about your lighting.. and tens of millions of others.
Your stubbornness is merely proof that change on meaningful scale cannot be made quickly without using force.
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I'm not being stuborn, I embraced LED lighting, and have been involved in the development of its use. My home useage from non renewable energy is as low or lower than yours I guarantee: (thats why I posted that I was unconcerned about the cost), in any case usage is never above 3.5kW/day average. I just prefer incandescent lighting for work and reading, if I find that changes then happy days. I've done my bit without the forcible prompting of politicians or tree huggers.
The point is it is legislative control by know nothings who want to be popular with the noisy mindless minorities: it would happen even if it were not 'necessary'. Having power over others lives is how these Ar5ehole5 get thier rocks off.
PlainName:
--- Quote --- it would happen even if it were not 'necessary'
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Unfortunately I am with Monkeh on this. LEDs cost a lot more than incandescent, and a significant portion of the population will buy on price. Particularly if they try an LED and find it far too blue compared to what they are used to. Yes, the electricity bill should be lower, but that's months away and associating this particular lamp with some arbitrary figure in the bill isn't going to happen. At best, if they figure the light is costing them, the user will try not to have the lights on for so long.
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 02:20:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:40:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 01:25:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:21:05 pm ---Your stubbornness is merely proof that change on meaningful scale cannot be made quickly without using force.
--- End quote ---
The age old justification used by authoritarians everywhere. If you can't get the vast majority to consent to a good idea well explained, maybe it wasn't so great after all.
--- End quote ---
I think you overestimate the intelligence of the vast majority.
--- End quote ---
I think you overestimate your own intelligence. Especially your ability to spot all the consequences of your actions ahead of time. There's a reason free markets work best. They may suck in many ways, but they are way ahead of some idiot who thinks they know best.
--- End quote ---
Charming. Thank you for reducing the discussion on the long-term planning of agencies whose job is to regulate markets to personal attacks on someone uninvolved in their decision making.
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