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| coppice:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 06:06:56 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 02:20:00 pm --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:40:12 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 01:25:17 pm --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:21:05 pm ---Your stubbornness is merely proof that change on meaningful scale cannot be made quickly without using force. --- End quote --- The age old justification used by authoritarians everywhere. If you can't get the vast majority to consent to a good idea well explained, maybe it wasn't so great after all. --- End quote --- I think you overestimate the intelligence of the vast majority. --- End quote --- I think you overestimate your own intelligence. Especially your ability to spot all the consequences of your actions ahead of time. There's a reason free markets work best. They may suck in many ways, but they are way ahead of some idiot who thinks they know best. --- End quote --- Charming. Thank you for reducing the discussion on the long-term planning of agencies whose job is to regulate markets to personal attacks on someone uninvolved in their decision making. --- End quote --- I didn't make a personal attack. I didn't say I was smarter than you, or anyone else was smarter than you. What I said is true of you, or me, or anyone else. Nobody has a clue how to long term plan any major aspect of society. Every time they try it doesn't take long before a lot of blood gets spilled. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 07:39:51 pm ---Every time they try it doesn't take long before a lot of blood gets spilled. --- End quote --- I haven't seen the great luminaire wars of Europe begin thus far, have you? |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 07:43:50 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 07:39:51 pm ---Every time they try it doesn't take long before a lot of blood gets spilled. --- End quote --- I haven't seen the great luminaire wars of Europe begin thus far, have you? --- End quote --- For someone who attacked the intelligence of the public, you aren't sounding very bright yourself. Once people with an authoritarian mindset find they can get away with pushing the public around in minor ways they keep upping their game, until someone pushes back. The longer that takes the more destruction happens before they do. |
| SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 07:51:23 pm --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 07:43:50 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 07:39:51 pm ---Every time they try it doesn't take long before a lot of blood gets spilled. --- End quote --- I haven't seen the great luminaire wars of Europe begin thus far, have you? --- End quote --- For someone who attacked the intelligence of the public, you aren't sounding very bright yourself. Once people with an authoritarian mindset find they can get away with pushing the public around in minor ways they keep upping their game, until someone pushes back. The longer that takes the more destruction happens before they do. --- End quote --- Yep, and that is actually true at all levels, even in your personal/professional relationships. I'd say it may just be down to entropy in the end, or something like that. If you have a "control freak" around, that is usually also exactly what will happen. They'll keep pushing and the longer you let them push, the nastier it gets. If you do nothing, it can end up pretty badly. I don't think there's any way around it. It's just basic physics at play, whether we like it or not. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 02:20:00 pm --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:40:12 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on April 08, 2023, 01:25:17 pm --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on April 08, 2023, 01:21:05 pm ---Your stubbornness is merely proof that change on meaningful scale cannot be made quickly without using force. --- End quote --- The age old justification used by authoritarians everywhere. If you can't get the vast majority to consent to a good idea well explained, maybe it wasn't so great after all. --- End quote --- I think you overestimate the intelligence of the vast majority. --- End quote --- I think you overestimate your own intelligence. Especially your ability to spot all the consequences of your actions ahead of time. There's a reason free markets work best. They may suck in many ways, but they are way ahead of some idiot who thinks they know best. --- End quote --- Free markets don't work at all! And mainly due to the vast majority of the people not having all the knowledge required to make the best decissions in today's complex world. Let alone, the lesser educated part of the population. So yes, decissions need to be made for the public with a long term plan in mind. Even though those plans might need adjustments along the way. Or may even seem unlogical to some. History is riddled with bans and requirements that save lives every day. Think about airbags, seatbelts, anti-skid, unleaded fuel, emission limits on cars. All things that don't make a car better in any way to get from A to B, but these government mandated requirements are a huge improvement for the society in the big picture. Especially big companies have the empathy level of a 4 year old kid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_at_Any_Speed |
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