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ve7xen:

--- Quote from: james_s on April 11, 2023, 09:30:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 11, 2023, 09:24:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 11, 2023, 09:06:16 pm ---Apparently Home Depot has banned access in some countries. Or maybe it's just me. :-DD

--- Quote ---Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://www.homedepot.com/" on this server.
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(and yes this is what I get using a https address, so not the problem here.)

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Why comply with GDPR when you can just block the rest of the world?

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Why not just block the rest of the world? Home Depot is a US retail chain of big box stores very similar to B&Q, they don't sell internationally so I can see their rationale for just blocking anywhere with regulations that would require extra effort to comply with. They're not blocking anyone that is buying their products. Blocking is the path of least resistance.

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There are a lot of edge cases. It may sound like the path of least resistance on the surface, but geofencing is pretty fraught in general, and you probably won't hear about the majority of cases where it pushes a paying customer somewhere else. They may not care about the small percentage of customers this affects, but I still think it is generally a bad idea to block people without any way to measure how it might be affecting the business or any recourse for the end user, especially when they don't seem to gain anything by doing it.

If Home Depot doesn't operate in and won't ship to addresses in the EU I don't see why they would care about the GDPR or other regulations that have no jurisdiction over their operations. It seems even easier to just ignore what people in irrelevant (to your operation) places are regulating.

coppice:

--- Quote from: ve7xen on April 11, 2023, 11:50:00 pm ---If Home Depot doesn't operate in and won't ship to addresses in the EU I don't see why they would care about the GDPR or other regulations that have no jurisdiction over their operations. It seems even easier to just ignore what people in irrelevant (to your operation) places are regulating.

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I basically agree, but its a bit weird to respond Access Denied. It seems a bit hostile to people who may at some point be in the US, and be potential customers. They could have a page which politely says "We don't operate in your locality", and leave it at that.

james_s:

--- Quote from: ve7xen on April 11, 2023, 11:50:00 pm ---If Home Depot doesn't operate in and won't ship to addresses in the EU I don't see why they would care about the GDPR or other regulations that have no jurisdiction over their operations. It seems even easier to just ignore what people in irrelevant (to your operation) places are regulating.

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I don't know anything about the GDPR, how does it apply to foreign entities? If for example someone in the EU made an account with Home Depot, could HD then be liable for some sort of damages for not complying with that law? It's entirely possible that the people involved don't even understand the law,

coppice:

--- Quote from: james_s on April 12, 2023, 12:10:37 am ---
--- Quote from: ve7xen on April 11, 2023, 11:50:00 pm ---If Home Depot doesn't operate in and won't ship to addresses in the EU I don't see why they would care about the GDPR or other regulations that have no jurisdiction over their operations. It seems even easier to just ignore what people in irrelevant (to your operation) places are regulating.

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I don't know anything about the GDPR, how does it apply to foreign entities? If for example someone in the EU made an account with Home Depot, could HD then be liable for some sort of damages for not complying with that law? It's entirely possible that the people involved don't even understand the law,

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If the law only affects countries they don't sell to, why would they spend a cent even trying to understand that law? They probably do business with suppliers in Europe. They only need to ensure they conduct that side of their business according to the relevant laws.

magic:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 11, 2023, 09:24:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 11, 2023, 09:06:16 pm ---Apparently Home Depot has banned access in some countries. Or maybe it's just me. :-DD

--- Quote ---Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://www.homedepot.com/" on this server.
--- End quote ---
(and yes this is what I get using a https address, so not the problem here.)

--- End quote ---

Why comply with GDPR when you can just block the rest of the world?

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But are they blocking the rest of the world or just the EUSSR?

I have surely seen foreign websites which do the latter and spell it out explicitly on the error page.


--- Quote from: ve7xen on April 11, 2023, 11:50:00 pm ---If Home Depot doesn't operate in and won't ship to addresses in the EU I don't see why they would care about the GDPR or other regulations that have no jurisdiction over their operations. It seems even easier to just ignore what people in irrelevant (to your operation) places are regulating.

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I suppose at least some of those companies that ban EU visitors may simply not want to burn bridges. Hiding in foreign jurisdiction only works until maybe one day you want to open an office in the "irrelevant place" and you suddenly get slapped for 10 years of violations.

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