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Biden admin moving forward with light bulb bans in coming weeks
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NiHaoMike:

--- Quote from: coppercone2 on April 02, 2023, 02:53:21 am ---the only thing I am worried about is heat lamps, I love them in the bathroom. 300 watts and they get used a handful of times a year on cold winters.
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There's a new generation of ceramic heat lamps to replace the old fragile glass ones. As they emit no visible light, they would not be considered a lighting device.

--- Quote ---There is another factor too, I wonder how much E-waste will be generated when bulb inrush limiter circuits (dim bulb limiter) are unavailable for electronics trouble shooting. There has got to be mountains of SMPSU that were fixed thanks to these things  :o

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Could use an induction motor, one that is not turning has a very low impedance. Add a brake to adjust how much current it takes before it starts to rotate.
coppice:

--- Quote from: AndyBeez on April 02, 2023, 11:45:03 am ---Yanks: Prepare for America to be flooded with the same crap quality Chinese lightbulbs that have been afflicting Europe for the last decade. Fact, SMD LEDs last for around 50,000 hours. Inconvenient truth, put them in a lightbulb, overdrive the LED's to make them bright and, they last no more than 50 weeks. Which is about the same life span of a classic tungsten bulb. So you have to buy another one = re$ult. Anyone thinking about the mountain of extra e-waste? Teardown an LED light bulb and you'll understand just how ecologically sound these are, not.

I agree that each bulb uses less energy, but how many more light fixtures do we have in our homes when compared to 30 year's ago? If California and Texas really want to keep the lights on, then maybe they should consider buying less Teslas?

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Most of the LED bulbs I can buy in the UK aren't that reliable. However, in the ones I have checked, the LEDs themselves in dead ones are fine. Its the control electronics that has died.

We moved to our current house in 2017. There was a mish mash of bulbs in the house, so I replaced them all with LEDs in one go. In the 6 years since then I have had to replace about half of them, some of them infrequently used ones that haven't gathered that many operating hours. Use them in any kind of shrouded location, that restricts air flow, and all but the lowest power ones tend to cook. Most of them say "not for use in an enclosed luminaire" or something similar, just like most CFLs did. However, most people want to put bulbs in somewhere between a fairly shrouding light shade and a fully enclosed luminaire. These days if you want a fully enclosed luminaire, buy one with integrated LEDs. You'll have to replace the whole fitting if a LED fails, but the cooling of the spread out electronics is so much better they probably won't fail too often.
coppice:

--- Quote from: coppercone2 on April 02, 2023, 02:53:21 am ---There is another factor too, I wonder how much E-waste will be generated when bulb inrush limiter circuits (dim bulb limiter) are unavailable for electronics trouble shooting. There has got to be mountains of SMPSU that were fixed thanks to these things  :o

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The regulations would have to be really poorly worded if they exclude every kind of filament bulb from the market, and make even things like food warming infra red bulbs illegal. There should be something left that is readily obtainable which would work well as a current limiter.
TimFox:

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--- Quote from: tom66 on April 02, 2023, 09:09:07 am ---I don't see any reason incandescent bulbs would be banned on vehicles: 60W per side of power consumption is nothing compared to the 60kW or so required to cruise on the highway for an ICE (after efficiency losses).  Far better to phase out ICE vehicles instead... which will eventually happen.  Not to make this an EV debate but it's already on the roadmap for most car makers and governments.

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And yet, in some US states, it is still currently illegal to have 'Day Beam' headlights or run your headlights during the day because of the slight extra load on your alternator, wasting a few tea-spoons of gas over the year.

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I have no idea where you found such a law.
Here is a law firm's summary of headlight laws in all 50 States:  https://www.sgplaw.com/blog/2020/april/when-must-you-use-your-headlights-when-are-they-/
Note that there are restrictions in many states for the use of high beams, but none about the use of normal headlight beams.
Xena E:
Generally I'm ambivalent to the arguments here though I do use some LED for home lighting, I've no problem with the energy costs and for reading lamps I do use tungsten halogen types.

However, since being sent some lamps by a friend that use multiple under run LED filaments for greater efficiency and longer life, as yet none have failed so thumbs up! (Search Philips Dubai lamps).

At work, for less eye strain the whole company still uses TH lighting at work stations.

However:

Being told what I must use boils my piss.

I get it that the administrations in the UK, Europe, and the US, do need to conserve energy. The reasons are not made clear though, to them it's just a freaking popularity contest to gain the acceptance of self-righteous snowflakes who think they're saving the world by buying millions of tonnes of eco approved technowaste to pollute the environment even more than it already is.

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