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abeyer:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on April 03, 2023, 07:06:54 pm ---I believe the use of the term gay in the pejorative sense predates it meaning homosexual. I suppose I can see why some find it offensive, hence the moderator editing the original post, but life is too short to get upset. It should be obvious the OP wasn't gay bashing.

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I've only ever seen history/etymology that implies the opposite... would be interested if you have a source for that?

Simon:

--- Quote from: abeyer on April 03, 2023, 08:00:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on April 03, 2023, 07:06:54 pm ---I believe the use of the term gay in the pejorative sense predates it meaning homosexual. I suppose I can see why some find it offensive, hence the moderator editing the original post, but life is too short to get upset. It should be obvious the OP wasn't gay bashing.

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I've only ever seen history/etymology that implies the opposite... would be interested if you have a source for that?

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No please, STOP! or shall I just lock the thread. The idea of editing out the political crap was to not have this discussion, we all know where it ends.

james_s:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on April 03, 2023, 07:40:08 pm ---Old fluorescent lamps with an iron ballast are tough and still beat incandescent.

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Yuck. Back before modern trichromatic phosphors fluorescent lamps were good for utility lighting but nobody wanted those in living areas, CRI of the CW halophosphate lamps is around 53 IIRC, and on magnetic ballasts they flicker too, although the phosphor persistence makes that flicker tolerable to me.

james_s:

--- Quote from: Simon on April 03, 2023, 07:26:12 pm ---It's always the same. No one likes change and the old stuff is always the best - bring out every silly excuse and conspiracy around -. I have found LED's liberating, finally I can have a room light like by the sun. LED's do have good CRI if you bought them recently and it means you can have way more light. I used to feel very tired in the evenings, it was because fluorescent lamps are yellow, telling my brain to go to sleep. In a large room even with a 100W incandescent that is still not daylight it will not be good enough.

Me, myself and my better half share our evenings in a living room that is not even too big with a 40W corn on the cob 5500K light, and we love it. We are perfectly happy and active right up until bed time and no the "blue light" does not stop us from sleeping!

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Good for you, I also have been happily using LED lighting in my home for as long as it was available, as I mentioned I was an early adopter. It's good, but the light is not as good as incandescent, it's close, and the energy savings and long lifespan are enough to make me choose it, but the lower CRI and lack of continuous spectrum, which are objectively true and easily measured traits makes colors look less vibrant, this is particularly true of reds and browns. If you don't notice or care that's fine, a lot of people don't, but that doesn't mean it isn't a valid issue. 5500k is nice for my laundry room and garage but for a cozy living space it sounds horrid, to each their own.

One of my pet peeves which I may occasionally be guilty of myself is this smug attitude of "it works fine for me so therefore any issues others have are just nonsense" I heard the same arguments regarding CFLs, and then once LED bulbs matured people finally admitted that CFLs were not that great. They saved energy yes, but the light they offered was inferior. it "I'm perfectly happy with this so your concerns are bs" attitude is quite frankly obnoxious.

Zero999:
I suppose the question is: there may be advantages of incandescent for some, but are they really worth the extra running cost?

Is the law really necessary? If only a tiny minority of people use incandescent, then it's not going to make much difference in the grand scheme of things.

An alternative to banning, would simply tax them so they cost the same as LED.

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