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| Ranayna:
I buy nothing that directly requires mains directly from china. But even when you buy from a bigger importer, there is sometimes dodgy stuff, as with my ZD-915. I sometimes buy stuff requiring an external power supply, but that, including any mains cable, will be scrapped. |
| magic:
If you are the importer, legally you have no one but yourself to blame. Ergo, don't buy anything safety critical from China unless you know what you are doing. I would extend it to "don't use anything safety critical made by commies", because the former Eastern Bloc stuff wasn't much better :scared: BTW, AFAIK manufacturing such stuff is also legal in the EU, and even selling it to consumers - elsewhere. |
| soldar:
--- Quote from: Ranayna on October 19, 2023, 10:09:59 am ---I buy nothing that directly requires mains directly from china. But even when you buy from a bigger importer, there is sometimes dodgy stuff, as with my ZD-915. I sometimes buy stuff requiring an external power supply, but that, including any mains cable, will be scrapped. --- End quote --- There is a difference between buying directly from Amazon, in which case they are responsible, or buying from a third party through Amazon's marketplace in which case the seller is responsible. In my opinion Amazon and eBay do not make that clear enough as they should. This guy bought a cheap charger and it wrecked his expensive camera. |
| Ranayna:
--- Quote from: soldar on October 19, 2023, 10:36:30 am ---In my opinion Amazon and eBay do not make that clear enough as they should. --- End quote --- I agree. I recently was in a discussion about that in a german forum, and there the majority of the posters put the full blame on the customer if they buy crap on Amazon and they don't realize what implication a long delivery time can have. Someone bought a kind glue that cannot be imported into the EU, and was miffed that the package was intercepted and destroyed by customs. Of course there was not even a hint on the product page, and a lot of recent reviews in german. By now the product page has been taken down though. So how is a layman supposed to know that stuff sold on the german page of the largest online retailer - that has an excellent customer reputation - could be illegal? |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: soldar on October 19, 2023, 12:03:39 am --- --- Quote from: Infraviolet on October 18, 2023, 09:10:01 pm ---Import restrictions are never a good thing... The problem with this product is that it was ever made in the first place. By virtue of the types of connectors on its ends it is implying that it is designed to be used for the full current which is supported by those styles of connector. The fact it has been manufactured with them, but not with good enough wiring to take that current means its manufacturers should be punished for even making it, never mind where it gets sold. It wouldn't be acceptable to make a device with a micro USB (male end) connector which used this interface to put out tens of volts (imagine the damage it would do if plugged in to a phone's USB port, because it looked and fitted like a 5V phone charger). The USB port has expected pin outs and voltage and current specifications. So it shouldn't be acceptable to use those types of plugs on a cable not rated for the current those plug connectors are expected to deliver. Isn't there some sort of "copyright" on the design of the plug which counts for nothing normally, but can be used against any company manufacturing something with that plug which doesn't meet the electrical expectations that the plug's presence implies the cable meets? This surely isn't a cable that would be "only useful in China" (China surely doesn't go around using the european type plug for low current applications), its a cable where the cable type is inappropriate for anything the plug is appropriate for. Also, shows the advantage of the UK style plug, where a fuse is there right at the socket end. --- End quote --- That is not how the world works. The EU, the UK or the USA have no authority or capability of enforcing their laws in other countries just as other countries do not have the authority of enforcing their laws in the EU , the UK or the USA. Furthermore, while it might be illegal to sell such a cable to the public in the EU or the UK it is not illegal to manufacture it and sell it abroad. Again, the importer (seller) is responsible for the product they sell meeting safety standards. If Joe Blow buys a cable or other device abroad and imports it then he takes responsibility. Since many people do not have the knowledge or qualification it might make sense for the platforms like ebay or amazon to make sellers guarantee that a product meets EU standards or declare that no such representation is made. A notice such as "We make no representation that this product meets any safety standards" might discourage some buyers. I have bought some crappy crap from China but I assumed it was crappy when I bought it. If you want a product guaranteed to meet local standards then you should buy locally... and pay the price. --- End quote --- The problem is, there is no way Joe Blow can know whether the product he sees on eBay is safe or not. I would also question whether it's his responsibility, since he isn't importing it. Ebay or Amazon should have to take responsibility and ban users who sell dangerous products. |
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