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| magic:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on October 20, 2023, 03:31:12 pm ---Expecting the platform to take responsibility is the only sensible option. I doubt they would get away with allowing listings for guns and stealth knives to countries where they're prohibited. --- End quote --- You won't find guns on AliExpress because I'm sure their sales are highly controlled in China as well. But funny that you mention that, because I heard you can actually buy some restricted gun parts and accessories disguised as everyday items on AE. I suppose there is some whack-a-mole going on with those sellers, but that stuff exists. Truth is, you have no jurisdiction over the sellers and the platform will only make half-assed attempts to look like they are trying something so you can't say that they aren't. And they also wouldn't care at all if they didn't have business presence locally. Try going after some knife seller who is not using an international platform. |
| mendip_discovery:
Thing is the likes of ebay, Amazon etc. have got the money to pay the lawyers to avoid the blame for allowing products like this to sold via thier systems. It's how the gig economy works to a certain extent. Going back to BC, I like his videos and some are rather informative but at the same time he has a following that are expecting things to melt etc it's part of his routine much like ElctroBoom shocking himself. So Clive is going to look for the dangerous stuff, partly to inform but also to give his viewers what they want. I am often worried by the stuff being sold in the really cheap shops. Makes me wonder how much is fake copies of brands or just dangerous stuff. |
| soldar:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on October 20, 2023, 03:31:12 pm --- --- Quote from: magic on October 20, 2023, 09:33:22 am ---So what exactly is he doing if not importing it? ::) --- End quote --- It isn't as though the buyer is going to China, and bringing the item into the country with him. The seller is exporting it to him. --- End quote --- One thing does not preclude the other. The seller is exporting and should abide by his country's laws and the buyer is importing and should abide by his country's laws. In terms of a private person importing for his private use it does not matter at all whether he has it shipped or whether he brings it with him. I have bought a lot of things in China which I have brought back with me and I have bought many things which I have had shipped. In the end I am responsible. In the end the buyer has to take responsibility for his acts. The State does not have the means to protect us from ourselves nor should they. If every little import had to be inspected and tested then that would be the end of this type of small scale purchases. Note that the State does not have the means to inspect even all of large shipments so they do random inspections and catch only a few non-compliant products. Many get past. Having 100% inspected is just not feasible and inspecting 100% of small packages and every suitcase that people bring into a country is just absolutely impossible and attempting anything resembling that would bring a country to a halt. Maybe North Korea could try something like that. A person has to understand that if he buys anything from shady sellers he is taking the risk himself. If he is not qualified to judge he should buy only from very safe sources. The same when investing money, etc. I do not want a State that micromanages my life. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: soldar on October 21, 2023, 10:16:32 am --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on October 20, 2023, 03:31:12 pm --- --- Quote from: magic on October 20, 2023, 09:33:22 am ---So what exactly is he doing if not importing it? ::) --- End quote --- It isn't as though the buyer is going to China, and bringing the item into the country with him. The seller is exporting it to him. --- End quote --- One thing does not preclude the other. The seller is exporting and should abide by his country's laws and the buyer is importing and should abide by his country's laws. In terms of a private person importing for his private use it does not matter at all whether he has it shipped or whether he brings it with him. I have bought a lot of things in China which I have brought back with me and I have bought many things which I have had shipped. In the end I am responsible. --- End quote --- The seller has the opportunity to inspect the goods and should know the law in the country they're exporting to. There is a big difference between going to China, buying an item and bringing it home with you vs ordering online. In a real market, you get to see the item and inspect it before purchasing it, which you can't do remotely and the number of people who travel to China to buy things is vastly smaller than those who order them online --- Quote ---In the end the buyer has to take responsibility for his acts. The State does not have the means to protect us from ourselves nor should they. If every little import had to be inspected and tested then that would be the end of this type of small scale purchases. --- End quote --- If you're going to make that argument then why not just abolish all health and safety laws? It's a straw man. The seller should take the lion's share of the responsibility. --- Quote ---Note that the State does not have the means to inspect even all of large shipments so they do random inspections and catch only a few non-compliant products. Many get past. Having 100% inspected is just not feasible and inspecting 100% of small packages and every suitcase that people bring into a country is just absolutely impossible and attempting anything resembling that would bring a country to a halt. Maybe North Korea could try something like that. A person has to understand that if he buys anything from shady sellers he is taking the risk himself. If he is not qualified to judge he should buy only from very safe sources. The same when investing money, etc. I do not want a State that micromanages my life. --- End quote --- How does the buyer know the seller is shady? It's not practical to inspect everything, but that doesn't mean nothing can be done to tackle the problem. Trading standards should clamp down on the likes of eBay who list dangerous products. All they need to do is buy a few dodgy products from eBay, report the sellers and take legal action against eBay, if they don't do anything about it. |
| magic:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on October 21, 2023, 12:06:16 pm ---The seller has the opportunity to inspect the goods and should know the law in the country they're exporting to. --- End quote --- LMAO, why would anyone study the laws of some remote shithole that others are ordering his products from? Isn't your own shithole enough of a pain in the ass to deal with? --- Quote from: Zero999 on October 21, 2023, 12:06:16 pm ---How does the buyer know the seller is shady? --- End quote --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on October 21, 2023, 12:06:16 pm ---In a real market, you get to see the item and inspect it before purchasing it, which you can't do remotely --- End quote --- Maybe that's how you know it. You haven't inspected it. You know no one else has. You are ordering form a 3rd world hellhole demoralized by decades of communism. Caveat emptor, anyone? ;D --- Quote from: Zero999 on October 21, 2023, 12:06:16 pm ---It's not practical to inspect everything, but that doesn't mean nothing can be done to tackle the problem. Trading standards should clamp down on the likes of eBay who list dangerous products. All they need to do is buy a few dodgy products from eBay, report the sellers and take legal action against eBay, if they don't do anything about it. --- End quote --- Ebay isn't doing nothing. I'm sure selling illegal products is against their ToS. If you report products lacking the China Export mark or if you have proof that the mark is fraudulent, I'm sure they will be delisted. And then re-added tomorrow by the same guy. What exactly is supposed to be done about it? |
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