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magic:

--- Quote from: switchabl on October 21, 2023, 02:48:36 pm ---And the real problem is not people deliberately buying from shady third-country sellers. The problem is those sellers offering their dangerous products on legitimate marketplaces next to legitimate products, or through their own, seemingly legitimate, localised web shops.
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The real problem is the one you have any degree of control over, and that happens to be your local citizens. So you can stop them from buying garbage by inspecting their incoming post, you can order test samples of items offered to them and attempt to restrict access to unsuitable offers from your territory, and you can punish those bypassing your regulations.


--- Quote from: switchabl on October 21, 2023, 02:48:36 pm ---If you sell directly to consumers in a third country, it is not at all uncommon for those countries to expect you to follow their regulations. They may even require you to collect VAT for them.
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And which country would require foreign vendors to do its tax collection?

Even the EUSSR isn't so full of shit, and only offers it as an option, and only under a threat of making the customers pay unreasonable processing fees, not the sellers themselves.
themadhippy:

--- Quote ---And which country would require foreign vendors to do its tax collection?
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The uk post brexit for one
soldar:

--- Quote from: themadhippy on October 21, 2023, 06:07:09 pm ---
--- Quote ---And which country would require foreign vendors to do its tax collection?
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The uk post brexit for one

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Um, no. That's not right. The UK can require corporations which work in the UK to collect taxes from UK buyers. It absolutely cannot require foreign vendors to do anything at all. The foreign vendor is not collecting tax for the UK. Amazon, operating in the UK, is collecting tax for the UK from buyers in the UK. The foreign vendor has nothing to do with these taxes.

The UK does it just like other countries do it. It's not like they've invented anything.
switchabl:
You keep making these bold, easily refuted statements.  :-//

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-directly-to-customers-in-the-uk

--- Quote ---Goods that are outside the UK at the point of sale
[...]
Consignments valued at £135 or less
[...]
The seller must charge and account for VAT at the point of sale, unless the consignment is a business to business sale and the customer has given them their UK VAT registration number.

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(And yes, the VAT registration form has a box you can check specifically if you are not based in the UK).

I'm not saying that this is a particularly brilliant arrangement. And if you are a small business in China you might just get away with ignoring it and maybe sell under a new alias in case you get blacklisted or something. A reputable company (whether EU or China) that cares about its UK customer base may not want to risk that...
coppice:

--- Quote from: soldar on October 16, 2023, 10:24:12 am ---It is not like the cable is intrinsically bad. It is perfectly good for other applications but not for putting 5A through it to power a toaster.

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Those cables are intrinsically bad. The steel can only tolerate a limited amount of flexing, then it fractures, arcs, and bad things happen. I've encountered them before, not so much as a fire hazard, but as an unreliable piece of junk. Perhaps copper coated steel has applications in fixed wiring setups, but as a flex its useless.
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