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Offline olkipukki

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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #75 on: March 22, 2020, 10:56:53 pm »
Open-source Windows and folding Microsoft?  :o
It's like predict that Apple will hand-over MacOS to 3rd parties again   :-+


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Windows 10 continues to gain traction in the enterprise as the most secure and productive operating system. It empowers people with AI-first interfaces ranging from voice-activated commands through Cortana, inking, immersive 3D content storytelling, and mixed reality experiences. Windows also plays a critical role in fueling our cloud business and Microsoft 365 strategy, and it powers the growing range of devices on the “intelligent edge.” Our ambition for Windows 10 monetization opportunities includes gaming, services, subscriptions, and search advertising.
MS can offer Windows for free, why they would do it if no alternative around?

It would be great if MS starts to offer Windows rent only and charge, say $9.99 monthly) fees from ordinary folks.
Sounds terrible, but only something else (Linux? oh dear) eventually can reveal itself.
 

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Using Windows to fuel our cloud business and Microsoft 365 strategy, and to develop new categories of devices – both our own and third-party – on the intelligent edge.

Windows 10X is coming, be ready  >:D
 

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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2020, 02:10:13 am »

Windows 10X is coming, be ready  >:D


If I see Billy G. actually using Win 10X  (no staged bs) I'll give it a go  8)

Does the  'X' imply it's a p0rn surfers OS with subscription ?   :-//

Not my cuppa tea but might be a goer for some  :popcorn:
 

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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #77 on: March 23, 2020, 05:26:14 pm »
10X? I thought they said that 10 was going to be the last Windows version ever! :-DD

Ah the little fuckers...
 

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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #78 on: March 23, 2020, 05:30:37 pm »
10X? I thought they said that 10 was going to be the last Windows version ever! :-DD

Ah the little fuckers...

  Other great lies:

  The check is in the mail.
  It's only a cold sore.
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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #79 on: March 24, 2020, 06:55:55 pm »
This way MS get their license money up front, the OEMs sell their PCs complete with OS and legit COA,
and the customer fires up their new Win 10 PC that just works out of the box,
with an OS that behaves and does what it's TOLD,
an OS that doesn't meander off to the internet to play the sneaky unauthorized update game,

The problem with PCs with an OS that doesn't get updated is they become vulnerable to exploits and wind up as part of botnets. Making updates optional doesn't help here because most won't bother to update their systems ever.
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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #80 on: March 24, 2020, 07:19:30 pm »
For all the talk about exploits and vulnerabilities, I've yet to see it happen on a consumer PC. I've cleaned up many dozens of infected machines and always without exception the user had installed something. As long as the browser is up to date the biggest most wide open attack vector is the user. Next probably the browser, I use Adblock and Noscript always. Not saying it's impossible, but the risks of running an old unpatched operating system are dramatically overblown and the resistance to updating is Microsoft's own doing by bundling security updates with feature and UI changes, and by requiring a stream of constant reboots.
 
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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #81 on: March 24, 2020, 08:14:51 pm »
I agree that most infections I've ever witnessed came from the installation of an infected third-party program, either directly through a voluntary download, or a bit more sneaky through the installation of a browser extension/add-on for instance.

UAC has improved the situation dramatically, although unfortunately many people have considered it an annoyance and tried their best to bypass it or at least just ignore it and validate confirmation dialogs blindly.

Automatic updates have been Windows' default for ages anyway, so the basic user not really knowing what they're doing were likely to just have left them enabled. The difference is that advanced users had the opportunity to disable that. One side-problem of automatic updates, especially a-la "windows 10", is that they're assuming computers should be left powered on at all times so that updates can be  done when the user is not actively using the computer. Since many users are reasonable and just shut down or at least put their computer to sleep when not using it, the updates will inevitably occur at a moment when it will bug the heck out of the user. This is a very simple, yet terrible issue there. It's just a call for sucking up useless power if people want the updates to be less annoying to them.

Beyond the technical security points, I find it pretty "interesting" per se that any given company would become so untrustful of their customers for using their products properly that they would have to keep controlling said products forever once sold. To me, it clearly shows a very defective model here, whatever the reason. If the reason is that the software just can't be made secure enough without constant fixing, well, that's a major problem too IMO. Clearly some things to think about. But we all seem to be doing as if it were normal. :popcorn:

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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #82 on: March 24, 2020, 09:46:10 pm »
This way MS get their license money up front, the OEMs sell their PCs complete with OS and legit COA,
and the customer fires up their new Win 10 PC that just works out of the box,
with an OS that behaves and does what it's TOLD,
an OS that doesn't meander off to the internet to play the sneaky unauthorized update game,

The problem with PCs with an OS that doesn't get updated is they become vulnerable to exploits and wind up as part of botnets. Making updates optional doesn't help here because most won't bother to update their systems ever.
You have to divide that into OS updates and application updates. OS updates are less important since the biggest attack vector are the applications. Now the problem with Windows is that there isn't a very clear dividing line between the OS and the applications. The WMF attack comes to mind as an example.
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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #83 on: March 24, 2020, 10:34:54 pm »
For all the talk about exploits and vulnerabilities, I've yet to see it happen on a consumer PC. I've cleaned up many dozens of infected machines and always without exception the user had installed something. As long as the browser is up to date the biggest most wide open attack vector is the user. Next probably the browser, I use Adblock and Noscript always. Not saying it's impossible, but the risks of running an old unpatched operating system are dramatically overblown and the resistance to updating is Microsoft's own doing by bundling security updates with feature and UI changes, and by requiring a stream of constant reboots.

I've seen it happen on three PCs, but those machines were basically servers (although they were running a consumer version of Windows) that were never updated, either the OS or the apps.
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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #84 on: March 25, 2020, 02:06:22 am »
For all the talk about exploits and vulnerabilities, I've yet to see it happen on a consumer PC. I've cleaned up many dozens of infected machines and always without exception the user had installed something. As long as the browser is up to date the biggest most wide open attack vector is the user. Next probably the browser, I use Adblock and Noscript always. Not saying it's impossible, but the risks of running an old unpatched operating system are dramatically overblown and the resistance to updating is Microsoft's own doing by bundling security updates with feature and UI changes, and by requiring a stream of constant reboots.

I've seen it happen on three PCs, but those machines were basically servers (although they were running a consumer version of Windows) that were never updated, either the OS or the apps.


Well that's not really the same thing. I mean if you have a server that is exposed to the outside world then yes you need to keep it up to date, but a non-server OS on a server is a problem in itself.

The problem is forced updates on desktop/laptop machines which not only rudely change features and functionality, annoyingly revert settings that the user deliberately took time to set and occasionally uninstall programs, but also they wake the machine in the middle of the night or hijack it for an hour or more right when you're trying to get some work done.

I've seen a business put on hold for over an hour when the PC they used for all the client invoicing and credit card processing decided to update in the middle of the work day, I've had my work laptop hijacked right at the start of a meetinrbg when I was about to present something. My friend who lives in a studio apartment has complained of his gaming PC waking up in the middle of the night, fans roaring and lights blazing to install updates. The whole thing is just poorly thought out, they have made some improvements but these are all things I would consider the bare minimum that should have shipped in the first place. An operating system as a service is not the way to go, users want to customize and control their OS.
 

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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #85 on: March 25, 2020, 09:25:20 am »
... users want to customize and control their OS.

And microsoft don't want you to be in control anymore. They want to take over control of your pc.
And they are getting away with it. Most people don't care. And the people who care and who would
like to switch to another os can not do that because they need some special software that only runs on windows.
So, nothing is going to change and people wil continue to swallow it.
 
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Re: Bill Gates leaves MS board
« Reply #86 on: March 25, 2020, 09:36:11 am »

 :-+  ..and how does one debate with herds of idiots, that think they know better than someone who actually does know better   :horse:

 


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