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JohnnyMalaria:

--- Quote from: Day101 on March 01, 2021, 06:22:53 pm ---I suppose it depends on the design but for me it's not 50-100K at all.

There's no FCC testing, the modules are pre-certified. No need for UL testing, Sell direct via Amazon, shopify, ebay etc (not walmart etc). It's low power so there's no fire risk. Don't sell to Europe or rest of the world for v1. No power supply, just a $2 USB cable. EMC testing is cheap (https://www.sunfiretesting.com/)

Right now I'm expecting to hack out Bluetooth and use Shockburst instead. ~1 weeks effort I reckon. And if I get time (LOL) then I'll send data to smartphone via NFC.

I also need to file provisional patents (UK is best) this allows me 18 months to file for the rest of the world.
Aside from lost earning and the cost of making the prototypes I'm looking at less than $10K including non-refundable engineering fees for ABS moulds etc.

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You need to understand the patent aspect better.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/764953/ipo-foi-2018-564-provisional-patents.pdf


--- Quote ---Strictly speaking "provisional patents" do not exist in the UK. They are offered in other jurisdictions, such as the US, where they can be filed in order to establish an early filing date but never mature into a regular patent application. The equivalent way to do this in the UK is to file a normal patent application but to not progress that application (e.g. by choosing to not request a search, or to not request substantive examination) and then, within 12 months, to file a further application which claims priority from the earlier application. The initial application will still need to include a complete disclosure of the invention (in sufficient detail to enable a skilled person in the relevant field of technology to put the invention into effect) and all the relevant information to support any later application.
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This is very different than a US provisional patent application.

I assume you are also alluding to the PCT process for rest of world. It's expensive. You need to pick one or two countries. If you choose the EU, you still have to pay for each member state you want protection in. Then there's the annual maintenance fee which for EU countries is about USD2,300 per country per year.

On top of that, you need to pay a knowledgeable patent attorney to make sure you do it right.

Day101:
Yes, I have a patent advisor in the UK.
Filing for the rest of the world requires MONEY. which I can only get by selling some units. And defending infringements is much much more expensive again.

If the sales in the US justify the costs then I will get the lawyers to file in each jurisdiction. But a UK provisional patent gives 18 months and is a fraction of the cost of US etc.

JohnnyMalaria:
US fees can be substantially reduced if you quality as a "microentity". My fees were 25% of the standard ones. e.g., filing fee was $80.

https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/fees-and-payment/uspto-fee-schedule#Patent%20Fees

langwadt:

--- Quote from: Day101 on March 01, 2021, 06:22:53 pm ---I suppose it depends on the design but for me it's not 50-100K at all.

There's no FCC testing, the modules are pre-certified. No need for UL testing, Sell direct via Amazon, shopify, ebay etc (not walmart etc). It's low power so there's no fire risk. Don't sell to Europe or rest of the world for v1. No power supply, just a $2 USB cable. EMC testing is cheap (https://www.sunfiretesting.com/)

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so trying to stay under the radar and hope no one complains, that's one way of doing it

Day101:
Am I flying under a radar? Have I missed something? I’m not sure what you’re saying

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