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Offline Day101Topic starter

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2021, 12:32:07 pm »
RE bluetooth.

I read all the documents.
My conclusion is that I cannot find anything that forces me to do the bluetooth qualification process, or to list my product. So actually, I wouldn't need to pay the $8000.

(but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm going to remove bluetooth from V1 just in case.)
 

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2021, 03:23:51 pm »
Stop the meaningless discussion. Grow up. The world runs on power, not rights. If you can implement BT (or use a chip that does it), use it, until you get sued, then think about how to deal with the patent issues later. Chances are they won't be bothered to sue you, or even if it happens, you run a limited liability company. Let them sue you and see what happens.

Flying under the radar is a time honoured principle when fighting a much larger enemy.   Avoid using protected trademarks, whatever you do - it is easy to scan for those words in advertisements and web sites, and the processes are automated on many of the big platforms (youtube, ebay, Getty images, etc.).
 

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2021, 08:05:20 pm »
Yes, you're right. I would not mention their trademarks etc and they would literally have to buy my product and analyse it's signals to determine if it was using bluetooth or not. Which I doubt is worth their time.

 

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2021, 03:31:30 pm »
Are there any reports of companies being penalized when they didn't use Bluetooth trademarks? Bluetooth enforcement appears based on trademark law, directed against Bluetooth-branded products via customs seizures and trademark lawsuits. What power have they shown over a company which just omitted their logo and used the term "BLE"?
 

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2021, 11:21:32 am »

If Bluetooth worked reliably and was stable, it might be worth paying for.   As it is, I would choose a piece of physical cable over a Bluetooth connection!
Bluetooth itself is stable. Many software implementations are not. For what it’s worth, I’ve been using Bluetooth since 2003 without any problems. But it’s always been on macOS and iOS, whose Bluetooth support is very robust. It seems to me that the people who’ve complained to me about Bluetooth being unreliable have all been Windows or Linux users, so I guess those software stacks aren’t as good.
 

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2021, 03:18:19 pm »

If Bluetooth worked reliably and was stable, it might be worth paying for.   As it is, I would choose a piece of physical cable over a Bluetooth connection!
Bluetooth itself is stable. Many software implementations are not. For what it’s worth, I’ve been using Bluetooth since 2003 without any problems. But it’s always been on macOS and iOS, whose Bluetooth support is very robust. It seems to me that the people who’ve complained to me about Bluetooth being unreliable have all been Windows or Linux users, so I guess those software stacks aren’t as good.
A few years ago a friend gave me an old mac mini to play (IIRC a 2008~9 model) and that was the most striking difference that I could see when comparing to similarly equipped contemporary PCs of the same era that ran Windows XP: the bluetooth functionality was not only rock solid, but it was incredibly smooth to setup and pair - light years ahead of what the PC devices had.

IME it's been a few years now that not only Bluetooth Classic but also BLE (with some hardware restrictions) can be setup with the same ease on multiple platforms (Windows 7/8.1/10, Ubuntu 18.04/20.04, Chrome OS, Android), but indeed Apple was there much earlier in the game.
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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2021, 01:20:57 am »

Bluetooth needs to be made as easy to understand (affordance) and as easy to use as a headphone jack...

It is far from that level of ease of use even on Apple products.
 

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2021, 06:40:12 pm »

Bluetooth needs to be made as easy to understand (affordance) and as easy to use as a headphone jack...

It is far from that level of ease of use even on Apple products.
It’s about as close as is technically feasible: hold one gadget next to the other, it asks if you want to pair, you tap “connect” and you’re done. (Look for videos demonstrating how AirPods pairing works.)
 

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2021, 01:38:41 am »

If the "connect" point was made much smaller...  so there was no doubt that when you touched the devices "connect prongs" together, you wanted to connect...  it would work just like a headphone jack!
 

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2021, 04:47:08 am »
None of this is new. The Bluetooth people will threaten to sue you unless you pay their exorbitance fees. I know - it happened in a company I worked with. They use BOTs to surf the web to find products that use the Bluetooth symbol or word.

Do you know if you had to pay for using the Trademark or for using the technology? Was a lawyer consulted?


A company I once worked for did. They got a nasty legal letter from Bluetooth's lawyers. The company ended up paying $8K for each product that used the Bluetooth logo on it. Total bill was quite massive (maybe $50K to $100K - I can't remember exactly), but they did pay.

I do designs that include Bluetooth Classic or BLE for clients, and I warn them of the risk of having to pay a $8,000 license fee. I leave it to them (the product owner) to do research themselves and consider paying accordingly.
 

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2021, 07:07:14 am »

If the "connect" point was made much smaller...  so there was no doubt that when you touched the devices "connect prongs" together, you wanted to connect...  it would work just like a headphone jack!
  :palm: Try, then, separating the plug from the headphone jack after connecting…
 

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Re: Bluetooth device registration is $8000.
« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2021, 05:51:53 pm »

If the "connect" point was made much smaller...  so there was no doubt that when you touched the devices "connect prongs" together, you wanted to connect...  it would work just like a headphone jack!
  :palm: Try, then, separating the plug from the headphone jack after connecting…

I could live with the "connectedness" state toggling every time I touch the "connection spot"...    You know it makes sense
 


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