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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #275 on: April 11, 2024, 07:12:49 am »
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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #276 on: May 02, 2024, 08:55:17 am »
May 1, 2024 at 2:58 pm Updated May 1, 2024 at 3:54 pm

Joshua Dean, a former quality auditor at Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems and one of the first whistleblowers to allege Spirit leadership had ignored manufacturing defects on the 737 MAX, died Tuesday morning after a struggle with a sudden, fast-spreading infection.

Known as Josh, Dean lived in Wichita, Kan., where Spirit is based. He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle.


https://www.seattletimes.com/business/whistleblower-josh-dean-of-boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-has-died/
 

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #277 on: May 02, 2024, 11:25:39 am »
May 1, 2024 at 2:58 pm Updated May 1, 2024 at 3:54 pm

Joshua Dean, a former quality auditor at Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems and one of the first whistleblowers to allege Spirit leadership had ignored manufacturing defects on the 737 MAX, died Tuesday morning after a struggle with a sudden, fast-spreading infection.

Known as Josh, Dean lived in Wichita, Kan., where Spirit is based. He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle.


https://www.seattletimes.com/business/whistleblower-josh-dean-of-boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-has-died/

Looks like Boeing is a threat to life whether you are flying in it.. or working in/on it..  :palm:
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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #278 on: May 02, 2024, 05:55:08 pm »
Boeing's Starliner is supposed to launch on Monday. I wonder if the crew is worried if a window or hatch is going to blow out?
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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #279 on: May 09, 2024, 12:16:26 pm »
Hopefully this one has a really strong constitution, both mentally and physically, and isn't accident prone...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68979354

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Boeing whistleblower says plane parts had serious defects

Plane bodies made by Boeing's largest supplier regularly left the factory with serious defects, according to a former quality inspector at the firm.

Santiago Paredes who worked for Spirit AeroSystems in Kansas, told the BBC he often found up to 200 defects on parts being readied for shipping to Boeing.

He was nicknamed "showstopper" for slowing down production when he tried to tackle his concerns, he claimed.

Spirit said it "strongly disagree[d]" with the allegations.

"We are vigorously defending against his claims," said a spokesperson for Spirit, which remains Boeing's largest supplier.

Mr Paredes made the allegations against Spirit in an exclusive interview with the BBC and the American network CBS, in which he described what he said he experienced while working at the firm between 2010 and 2022.

He was accustomed to finding "anywhere from 50 to 100, 200" defects on fuselages - the main body of the plane - that were due to be shipped to Boeing, he said.

"I was finding a lot of missing fasteners, a lot of bent parts, sometimes even missing parts."

Boeing declined to comment.


What's the difference between disagreeing and "strongly disagreeing"?  :-\

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #280 on: May 09, 2024, 12:49:32 pm »
Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?
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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #281 on: May 09, 2024, 12:54:50 pm »
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What's the difference between disagreeing and "strongly disagreeing"?
The number of steps the claimant accidentally falls down just before giving evidence
 

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #282 on: May 09, 2024, 11:50:17 pm »
Whistle blowers often die after blowing the whistle, its very strange, scientists and fact checkers says.
 
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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #283 on: May 10, 2024, 05:46:15 pm »
It's a great way to make money off Boeing - just short the stock - and get a whistleblower to come forward. Stock drops, reap rewards.
4 or 5 incidents past few days! You don't need to use a whistleblower, just a little sabotage. Stock drops, reap rewards.
 


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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #286 on: May 11, 2024, 06:29:05 am »
What's the difference between disagreeing and "strongly disagreeing"?  :-\
Let me give you an example. I disagree with you fucking my sister. I strongly disagree with you fucking my wife.

Different levels of disagreement.
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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #287 on: May 11, 2024, 05:34:10 pm »
it looks like boeing is using off brand transistors
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/safety-concerns-show-urgent-need-to-stop-nasa-starliner-launch-warns-valvetech-hastings-law-client-302140125.html

BACKPEDAL lol
"ValveTech Clarifies Media Reports About NASA Starliner Launch: Did Not Call for an End to the Mission"(Hastings Law Client)

Also, it looks like the IP was ripped off, so who is liable when she blows? I'd have to go back and dig about the Challenger disaster consequences for Morton Thiokol.

"ValveTech supplies 14 valve components to vendors for the Starliner CST-100 spacecraft"
"Aerojet Rocketdyne Inc., (an L3 Harris Technologies company). A federal court found Aerojet breached multiple non-disclosure agreements for improperly disclosing, retaining, or using ValveTech's valves, designs, technology and data."

I wonder who's valve was buzzing'.
 

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #288 on: May 12, 2024, 04:17:20 am »
This incident proves how badly Boeings reputation has been damaged.  People are trusting a comment from an ambulance chasing lawyer over the aerospace company.  It would be curious to see what kind of IP is involved here.  Given how long the design cycle has been for Starliner it seems likely that most underlying patents would have expired of old age.
 

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #289 on: May 21, 2024, 02:20:30 pm »
A Boeing 777 (not 737) today...

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A passenger onboard the Singapore Airlines flight that had to make an emergency landing in Bangkok has recounted the terrifying descent.

Dzafran Azmir, 28, told Reuters:

    Suddenly the aircraft starts tilting up and there was shaking so I started bracing for what was happening, and very suddenly there was a very dramatic drop so everyone seated and not wearing seatbelt was launched immediately into the ceiling.

    Some people hit their heads on the baggage cabins overhead and dented it, they hit the places where lights and masks are and broke straight through it.

Singapore Airlines did not say at what point the injuries and death took place, but a passenger who spoke to Reuters said turbulence led to those not wearing seatbelts hitting overhead cabins.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/may/21/singapore-airlines-flight-777-300er-london-bangkok-turbulence
Includes some "entertaining" pictures of the cabin interior.

Many times I've been in aircraft that "tilts" up, starts shaking, then drops dramatically. Deliberately entering a stall is fun, a spin even more so :)

This incident is being described as turbulence. Severe turbulence is not unknown.
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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #290 on: May 21, 2024, 02:34:27 pm »
Seems the advice to always wear your seatbelt when seated in an aircraft is pretty reasonable.
 

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #291 on: May 21, 2024, 02:58:15 pm »
I would put that the other way around.  Not wearing your seat belt when seated is foolish.  There is no reason not to. 

A small child (like 3 y.o.) may be an exception as they can react oddly when strapped in.  That situation needs to balance those factors. 

 

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #292 on: May 23, 2024, 12:34:55 pm »
Aaaaand , here we go again, from daily bullcrap news! Revealed: 300 Boeing planes used by United and American Airlines have potential flaw that could cause jets to explode mid-air
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13444467/Boeing-plane-United-American-Airlines-fatal-fault.html
 

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #293 on: May 23, 2024, 12:53:06 pm »
Seems the advice to always wear your seatbelt when seated in an aircraft is pretty reasonable.

Fortunately, the conditions where seat belts are actually needed are quite rare... same as in autos.  But extreme turbulence happens and there's no way to avoid it, since you often can't see it coming.  My understanding is they typically know it's there, from the reports of other planes flying the same route. 

The point was driven home to me when an attendant told me that she ended up flying on the airplane ceiling once.  That's some turbulence
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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #294 on: May 23, 2024, 01:55:08 pm »
Seems the advice to always wear your seatbelt when seated in an aircraft is pretty reasonable.

Fortunately, the conditions where seat belts are actually needed are quite rare... same as in autos.  But extreme turbulence happens and there's no way to avoid it, since you often can't see it coming.  My understanding is they typically know it's there, from the reports of other planes flying the same route. 

The point was driven home to me when an attendant told me that she ended up flying on the airplane ceiling once.  That's some turbulence.

shows some statistics from NTSB, ~80% of those seriously injured by turbulence was flight attendents

 

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #295 on: May 23, 2024, 03:46:42 pm »
So almost 2 km deep and at least 30 km long air pit, excluding up and sides.
Is it still just lack of air, can ground released methane create bubbles like that?

One time jetliner was lucky that the bubble didn't happen earlier, estimation was that full tanks were too heavy.
One other time the luck was a full plane and earlier bubble.

E,
New info is that fast up and down movements happened in few seconds.
Longest dip being around 50m.
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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #296 on: June 08, 2024, 01:27:16 pm »
737-800 with known software glitch:

Disaster narrowly avoided as plane clears Bristol Airport runway with just seconds to spare: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/tui-boeing-flight-bristol-disaster-avoided-b2558536.html
 

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #297 on: June 08, 2024, 10:54:12 pm »
737-800 with known software glitch:

Disaster narrowly avoided as plane clears Bristol Airport runway with just seconds to spare: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/tui-boeing-flight-bristol-disaster-avoided-b2558536.html

Damn, that's unfortunate.
 

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Re: Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows stayed in!
« Reply #298 on: June 09, 2024, 04:06:05 am »
"Five of the 11 faults were related to the uncommanded autothrottle disengagements, with the first being logged at 11:04 UTC. At that point, the TUI Airways aircraft was on the runway at BRS at the beginning of its takeoff roll.
The AAIB said the fault record indicated that the suspected cause of the uncommanded autothrottle disconnect was ASM 1, the autothrottle servo motor for the number 1 engine throttle lever. Four further disengagements happened on the flight to LPA, with two during the initial climb phase."

"Boeing has said that the autothrottle system on the 737 NG has had a long history of “nuisance disconnects” during takeoff engagements. When the fault history is checked, it often shows a problem with the ASM for either the number 1 or 2 lever, with subsequent checks typically showing no faults."

"According to the investigators, the TUI Airways Boeing 737-800 was equipped with older ASMs. In October 2021, Boeing issued a Fleet Team Digest to airlines operating the 737 NG, detailing the problem and the service bulletin to replace the ASMs and apply the required flight control computer software." source

Oh I get it - you have to buy a new autothrottle system at your leisure, it's your problem not Boeing's - until people get killed.
 

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